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POST YOUR THOUGHTS HERE

Welcome to the on-line conversation for Women in Walled Communities, a cluster of three courses in a new 360° @ Bryn Mawr College that focuses on the constraints and agency of individual actors in the institutional settings of women's colleges and prisons.

This is an interestingly different kind of place for writing, and may take some getting used to. The first thing to keep in mind is that it's not a site for "formal writing" or "finished thoughts." It's a place for thoughts-in-progress, for what you're thinking (whether you know it or not) on your way to what you think next. Imagine that you're just talking to some people you've met. This is a "conversation" place, a place to find out what you're thinking yourself, and what other people are thinking. The idea here is that your "thoughts in progress" can help others with their thinking, and theirs can help you with yours.

Who are you writing for? Primarily for yourself, and for others in our cluster. But also for the world. This is a "public" forum, so people anywhere on the web might look in. You're writing for yourself, for others in the class, AND for others you might or might not know. So, your thoughts in progress can contribute to the thoughts in progress of LOTS of people. The web is giving increasing reality to the idea that there can actually evolve a world community, and you're part of helping to bring that about. We're glad to have you along, and hope you come to both enjoy and value our shared explorations.  Feel free to comment on any post below, or to POST YOUR THOUGHTS HERE.


Dan's picture

Define Criminal...

Hummingbird's picture

My Picture, My Identity

I chose to use this picture as my avatar because it's a photo I took while in New Zealand this summer visiting family. The fern is so common in native forests there that I can't help thinking of my family when I see them. I also really relate to this photo because the fern is actually hanging over a waterfall. In many ways, I feel like that's a great analogy for the risktaking we do in class and every day of our lives. 

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Avatar commentary

Copied from an email that I sent to Barb this morning about my avatar:

With regards to my avatar: (http://arrestedmotion.com/2011/11/releases-joe-sorren-x-ingrid-michaelson-human-again-album-cover-and-print/
I really like this image--it is from the album cover of a recent album by Ingrid Michaelson, one of my favorite artists, so I feel connected to it in that way. Not only that, but I feel connected to the girl in the picture--she is small in comparison to her surroundings, almost swallowed up by them, looking at them and trying to understand, trying to connect with something. In my mind, these surroundings are water, and the girl in the image is merely dipping her toes in, although it is all around her. I often feel this way about academia, about issues of social justice--I have a lot of curiosity and hunger to understand everything around me, and the comments and feelings and experiences of others, but I've only just scratched the surface. I think it's important to keep this sense of not knowing, especially in a class like this where there is so much that is subjective, and in the rest of my life, because what has more ambiguity and such multitude of possible choices than that?

jhunter's picture

Names and Images

Though "Prisoners of a Hard Life" shared various statistics and facts about incarcerated women, it was not the numbers nor the narratives but the images, particularly the faces and bodies of the women, on which I want to comment.  The graphic-novel style of work adds a dimension to the stories of these five women that I'm not used to seeing.  In grayscale, the women come to life and, were I able to take the figures out of the harsh words of the pages and environments of the panel, it would be easy enough to insert them into a children's book--as just another illustration of a woman.  In this, I think the authors allow the reader to see the humanity of women who are used to being seen as criminals first and women and mothers as a distant second and third.  The ink drawings make it easier to notice similarities between people instead of focusing on differences like race or class indicators like style of dress.  The stories of these five women are each unique, but, through the medium of the graphic novel, more so than the photographs or other outside images that are included, it is easy to recognize that the women in the panels are more than their childhoods, their crimes, their addictions, their race, their poverty, or any other factors I may have previously focused on to define them. 

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Incarceration and Choice

One of the themes that weeds through all our classes is the notion of choice. We choose to be silent; we choose to have a voice; we choose to live the kind of lives that we do. After reading "Prisoners of a Hard Life" I find myself really annoyed at how the notion of choice, despite how much people want it to have a positive spin, is ultimately used against us: somtimes by others and sometimes by ourselves . When we talk about incarcerated women, in particular, the idea of choice has really had negative consequences on how they are viewed in society. Incarcerated women: choose to be criminals, choose to drop of school and a consequence choose to work in below mininum wage jobs, choose to be teen mothers, choose to have their children taken away from them, choose to be involved in abusive relationships. Both my education and life experiences have taught me that the freedom of choice only goes so far. To argue that the individual chooses to live a life of poverty and shame is a gross failure to see the mutiple array of physical and metaphorical road blocks that women of all walks of life must face before making a decision about the road they must take to better themselves and their lives.

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For us visual learners

Each of our texts this week provides powerful anecdotes and statistics regarding the history of women in the American justice system. I was particularly taken by the story of Alice Clifton, the slave tried for murder of her own child. To connect her story back to the similar story of Regina McKnight presented in “Prisoners of a Hard Life (The Real Cost of Prison Project)” was particularly heartbreaking. How long has this injustice been going on? How long will it continue? 

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Internet Identity

Part of me struggles with keeping my real name as a part of my user name. Just the other day, one of my Customs babies told me that they found me on this thing called Serendip.

!!RED FLAG!!

That was my first thought. I felt "found out". Stumbling over my words, I tried to explain that it was for class, my posted opinions solicited by the requirements of academia, so on. She responded with silence -- politely listening to my ramblings. And it was her silence that tipped me off to something. I had nothing to be ashamed of, nothing on Serendip that warranted my sudden reaction. Every thought here is something that I would feel comfortable sharing off the net, too. 

I'd considered changing my name to something more obscure since the beginning of the semester, but I realize now that that is unnecessary. I'm not ashamed of what I have to say, and I don't feel as though my privacy is breached by allowing non 360-ers to read it. By detaching my name, I would be in a way stifling my own voice. 

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Race: Still Relevant?

I was interested in Gross' statement about how a white factory worker named Gabe Blum asserted that black men were the most intelligent and honest of workers but didn't have access to more job opportunities simply because of the color of their skin (47). It makes me think about how some people think we actually live in a post-racial society. I find it hard to agree with that idea because of the institutional racism that still exists in our world. It's subtle racism - the policies we maintain in certain instituational settings may not be made purposely to discriminate against a particular group of people, but the outcome is that it does. I volunteer at an organization where I help my clients access social services, and I was helping one of my clients apply for a job at a retail store. The questionnaire on the store applications are unnecessarily tedious and repetitive, but at one point it asked for my client to identify her race. Although it was ultimately her decision whether or not to disclose that information, I still felt annoyed that that was even a question. Why did I have this nagging feeling that if she indicated that she is black, it would be a huge factor in whether or not she would get the job? If a white man were competing with a black man to get a job, who do you imagine would get the job? I acknowledge the fact that other factors are considered when employers look at different applicants but can we really say that race has nothing to do with it? I feel like this situation would have the potential to involve racism, but it's so subtle.

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For my avatar I chose an image that shows the surface of water.  I went back and forth about putting a picture of me, but because I was unsure about the level of anonimity I want to maintain on serendip, I decided that I could always do that later.  I chose this image because when you are looking down at a surface of water, you can see a general picture of what's beneathe, but it's not completely clear.  This is sort of how I see my presence on serendip at the moment.  I am trying to put myself "out there" (online, where anyone can see), while still trying to maintain a boundary (I'm just not quite sure what that boundary is yet).  My view my username "sarah" similarly.  Everyone (or at least most people) in our class know who I am when I post, but if a random person were to go on serendip, the name "sarah" isn't very informative because it's so popular.  Both my username and avatar allow me to express myself, while still maintaining some sense of privacy.

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12Sept2012Vision1: Noticing "Colored Amazons"

Gross makes an observation in the introduction of Colored Amazons that's stuck with me as I read about these cases and their history.  "For most [of these women], their criminal records serve as the only documentation of their lives." (pg.4-5)  It strikes me in a way that I cannot shake.  We, after all, live in a time where we are constantly anxious of the legacy we may leave--may it be by the "greatness" or change we want to bestow on the world, or even by becoming paranoid over the paper-trail we leave on the internet.  In other words, we understand that we have a history and constantly think about it.

These women, however, would have almost never existed.  They were given no birth certificates, no social security code, no formal identification of any kind was given to them when they were first born to let us know that they were born and continued to lead lives.  Instead, we were close to not acknowledging their presence on this earth and to being blind at their imprint on the world.

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Pedagogy: ways of addressing and dialogical method

The discussion we had in Tuesday really left me with more thinking about the question we are going to discuss this semester. Even from one reading about voice of students in educational research, Alison Cook-Sather studies it in so many different layers.  Surprisingly, each key word are intervened and connected through certain perspectives. The voice participated in the educational discussion might not present all the people present. Even though the voice participated might be heard, whether the advices brought by the voice can be enacted depends on who is in power. On the other hand, the interpretation of the voice totally depends on the listeners’ involvement in the conversation. Therefore, the process from the action of speaking to the final realization of the and actualization of the problem brought up by the voice is long and filled with uncertainties,

Elizabeth Ellsworth, Teaching Position

As a non-native English speaker, I was stuck as the word pedagogy. Yes, I was stuck at the first line and doubted whether I should look the work up or just keep reading and hopefully get the sense of the meaning of the word as I read more. However, as I read more, more questions came into my mind.

Sarah's picture

Conventional Teaching

In Ellsworth piece she writes "If an exact fit between message and understanding, conscious and unconscious, curriculum and interpretation, is impossible, then teaching, as it is conventionally understood, is impossible" (pg 15).  It is important that she used the word "teaching" instead of "learning".  I've come to learn that even if you have a bad teacher or a lesson plan that goes askew, every opportunity is a learning opportunity .  However, some methods of teaching are certainly more effective than others. Freire and Shor discuss "liberatory dialogue", which is something I would consider to be an essential aspect of most of my classes.  They discuss how traditionalists might think this method of teaching is bizarre, and I can admit, I probably would have felt that way in the past.  I used the think that the teacher was the most knowledgable person in the room, and that by having discussions with classmates, we were wasting time and losing knowledge.  I also thought about how if I were ever a teacher, teaching the same thing year after year would be mind-numbing.  Although repetitive curriculum may be a little boring for some teachers, I had never thought that each year the teacher has the possibility to relearn if they allow their students to discuss and hear new perspectives and ideas each year.  I know some of my friends and family members at home probably consider liberatory dialogue a little bizzare; sometimes they ask questions like "What are you learning from your major again? Why are you becoming certified to teach?

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Modes of address

In Ellsworth's article, the networks of power in pedagogical relationships are compared to chocolate bands in a marble cake.  I found myself thinking about what exactly Ellsworth meant by power in her article and in this example.  Was she speaking of a Foucault-ian concept of discursive power within which pedagogy generated its own discussions of different enmeshed power relationships?  If so, then modes of address don't merely constitute these relationships but also the spaces in which and through which people communicate.  I think that the Internet, particularly chatrooms, are an interesting mode of address.  Even on this discussion board, I can never be quite certain about everyone's representations, and, though I'm writing for my fellow class participants, our pedagogical relationship is not exactly as deeply personal as Ellsworth describes it in her essay.  My mode of address may be specific to our class in this context, but I have to recognize that anyone with access to a computer can read my words.  I'm representing myself for a contact zone that is essentially constructed of the entire world.

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What is the 'Dialogical Mthod of teaching?

In "What Is The 'Dialogical Method' of Teaching?", a lot fo interesting reasons for dialogical education being a good teaching style, most of which I agree with. But I really wanted to focus my post on specific lines and parts of the text. First I wanted to focus on Isa's point of "if public resources were transferred from the military to education to fund smaller classesm, that would make dialogue easier to have in school" (98). I am not sure if the  way I interpreted this line is the message Ira was trying to convey, but I completely agree with the fact that less money should be going to the military and more should be put in schools. As I mentioned in my earlier posts for Anne's class, a lot of public schools are extremely underfunded and are then expected to perform as well as any other elite school. Making it personal, my high school was one of the schools that was used as an "experiment" to prove that smaller schools will be more beneficial for students. The fact that my school was smaller did help A LOT with the learning experience, only problem was that my school was still underfunded which meant we did not have the adequate materials and resources we needed to excel - leading to the closing down of my school. If some of the funding for the military went into the education system, I believe there would be a huge improvement in schools.

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Elistism, Teacher-Student Relationship and shaping our classroom.

"Professor contact is reserved for graduate students, or undergraduate majors, or honors classes, or for students at the most costly yuniversities, where money is invented in small classes for the elite." -Ira Shor, Pg. 98

Reading this quote for the first time gave me an inkling feeling that I myself, am a secret elitist. When I think about Bryn Mawr and the relationships I have with my professors, I feel incredibly priviliged and spoiled.A prime example of these relationships is this course. We are able to spend time with the same professors, who are also getting together themselved to improve our experience witht our classes.

Which comes to full circle when reading the Ellsworth piece and she speaks about addressing the classroom and the students. With the unique experience of the 360, we, as students, are able to shape how our own information is addressed because we are able to experience different classrooms together and are able to shape and form how we interact within the classrooms. I feel that, so far, we have been given the spce to adjust our classrooms and take advantage of the time we have together. We are able to share experiences in one classroom and bring them into the next. Since we are able to talk and work through our classes together, we are able to wrok on our final outcome together. Both as individuals, as a class and as peers. Bryn Mawr has a sense of elitism but we are (hopefully) going to use this (and the 360) to enhance our semester together.

jo's picture

Some disjointed thoughts (mostly about our class)

One thing I've been thinking a lot about since our class discussion on Tuesday is "imagined communities," the term my partner and I were given. It comes from the Pratt reading and was coined by Benedict Anderson. He says most human communities are imagined in that we give them traits that they don't actually possess, such as a feeling of finiteness and closeness among members. Though I think it is possible for communities to exist that really do have these qualities, I agree that more commonly, members of communities pretend their communities are the way they want them to be, giving them a false image of togetherness that ends up creating boundaries and forms an "other" where one might not have existed. This often results in contact zones (another term from this reading that we addressed a lot in class).

On an unrelated note, I found the disussion in the Freire and Shor reading particularly interesting with respect to our discussion in Silence class on Tuesday as well as our first Voice class. In one section they discuss the pressure to add to classroom discussion or dialogue, and it makes me think of what Ann said and then revised about not contributing to class discussion being selfish. Ira and Paulo explain that "In dialogue, one has the right to be silent" and that dialogical teaching does not necessarily mean everyone has to speak. That said, everything spoken in this class setting does contribute to the dialogue and therefore to the learning that takes place

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"Liberatory learning involves Desocialization"

     First, I’d like to comment that A Pedagogy for Liberation is a fantastic title. This was the most striking quote in the piece for me: “liberatory learning involves desocialization.”

     As we enter these institutional spaces of learning, even as we acquire language, we start to realize all of the restrictive social and communicative rules we must learn to navigate in order to survive and “move through the system.” This socialization can completely disempower us – turn us into helpless cogs in a machine who do not think critically because we are seeing the world through the structure of how we’ve been socialized. Our roles, as friends, partners, students, workers, are flat and formed.

      Transcending that socialization is the challenge. How do you impart that crucial questioning in someone that can allow them to reject the restrictions and think more freely?

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The "Dialogical Method" and Children

The discussion between Shor and Freire on dialogical education continually brought up questions still lingering from our partnered discussions in class yesterday about Cook-Sather’s article.  I am very interested in both how student voice can lead to participatory learning and how the classroom can become a setting for egalitarian dialogue.  However, in reading both articles my initial reaction was to think about how these ideas can be applied to early childhood education, which might make their implementation less straightforward.  Freire explains that “dialogue is a challenge to existing domination,” implying that the power imbalance between student and teacher can be broken down through dialogue-education.   He acknowledges that at all levels of learning there is an intellectual boundary between student and teacher, but doesn’t delve into the very real power imbalance that exists between very young children and adults.  Presumably teachers can still “relearn” material from five or six year old students, and dialogue is possible in primary school classrooms, but can young students truly have a voice in their education?  As much as I think that these concepts are important for all levels of education, I am having a hard time reconciling them with the incredibly imbalanced relationship between children and adults.  In many ways this power imbalance is inevitable, so how can real dialogue and participation exist within an inherently unequal framework?

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Juxtaposition and Contact Zones

"Juxtaposition... [is] an attempt to get viewers and readers to make associations across categorical, discursive, historical, and stylistic boundaries." – Elizabeth Ellsworth

My first reaction to reading Ellsworth was excitement. Here was someone looking at the very things I find most interesting – intersections within the classroom. When we spoke in groups yesterday, I found I was writing more questions about intersections than I was writing answers. The term I focused on was "contact zone," (from Pratt's piece) and when I first looked at it, Michaela and I really focused on the result of two cultures meeting. What happens when the dominating culture appropriates aspects of the subordinate culture? What happens when there is "forced culturalization" of the subordinate culture by the dominating one? Does one need permission to take up aspects of another culture – especially for purposes of art?