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Class Summary-March 25

  Class began with some discussion of genre, as well as what we'll be reading in the future.  Anne discussed how all of us are thinking about what it means to read, and how different genres, forms, and platforms could change that.  Anne also said to think about how different genres (particularly genres that put more emphasis on senses) might change one's understanding of a genre.  Movies, it was said, have more sensory input than books, and teal noted that one doesn't have much space to imagine while watching a movie.

As for what we're going to be reading for the remainder of the semester, Anne suggested another graphic novel (both books of "Persepolis") after we finish "A Game of You," followed by selected stories from "The Thousand and One Nights," which will give us a sense of oral literature.  The class was in general agreement on these choices.

We then broke up into small groups, each group containing people who had seen different movie interpretations of "Alice in Wonderland." We discussed how the experience of watching a film differs from the experience of reading a novel, and what happens when the story is put into pictures.

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The Best Meal I've Ever Had

    After reading Neil Gaiman's A Game of You and Alice in Wonderland I can't stop thinking about my dreams. In Gaiman's graphic novel Barbie states that the food she ate in her dream was much better than any other meal she has ever had and asks how that is possible. It might seem crazy but in a world filled with fantasy, her statement made a lot of sense. Similar to Alice and Barbie, my dreams sometimes can feel more real than reality itself. I have had dreams that result in tears, or dreams that result in waking up in a cold sweat from fear of drowning. Is it really so odd that Barbie can taste a meal in her dreams? I don't think so. Some of my best meals have been in my dreams as well.

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Graphic Novels - An Exclusive Club

We were talking in class about the different forms of "reading" and how reading experiences can differe from listening experiences. That's all quite valid. The thing we didn't really talk about, however, was how very versatile somethign like a book is. For example, the fact that you can read, listen to, or even perform the text of a book is very impressive. Novels, poetry, and other fictional texts are very inclusive - they allow anyone, even those with audio or visual disabilities, to be part of the experience.

Graphic novels, bless them, are not inclusive. Not even a little. You cannot record a graphic novel on tape, and play it to a visually disabled invidual. Sure, graphic novels contain text, which is important to the story. The pictures, however, cannot be recorded, and a graphic novel can't be experienced through it's text alone.

You cannot create a braille version of a graphic novel. I'm sure that people have tried, and perhaps we'll develop, in the future, a way of translating pictures into text, and text into braille, but for the moment, that's not an option. (I've done a little research, but if you can contradict me on this last claim, I'd love to see what you found. That's not sarcasm - I'd be delighted.)

I'm not saying that graphic novels aren't valuable in their own right. We can all read them, and we can all enjoy them. That's excellent. I'm fond of the idea that a reading experience should be available to everyone, however, which is why I hope that graphic novels are not the novels of the future.

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the extent of being personal

 I was just looking at different women's news articles online and came across this one which I thought sort of legitimized the fears of some seniors in the class about posting things online for everyone to see. Obviously the woman that this article discusses has gone way too far in publicizing her life on the internet, but it still leaves the question open, how far CAN you go before personal information becomes "too open" ?

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class summary 3/25/10

We started the class by listening to Jefferson Airplane's "Go Ask Alice" and signing up for movie discussion groups.  Anne discussed articles she has found online that could be interesting paper topics.  Then we read responses some of us had written online about the differences (or similarities?) between reading a physical book, reading a book online, and listening to an audiobook.  Rachelr and skindeep considered whether reading or watching/listening is a more imaginative activity, since watching or hearing something makes us do "less work."  Aseidman questioned whether it's necessary to do more work.  Anne suggested we might not necessarily work more but contribute more (in terms of interpretation and imagination) when we are only reading a text.

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Notes Towards Day 18: Gaming You

 

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Tenniel's sketches...

Since we are looking today at the way Alice has been transfered through genres/platforms, I thought it would be interesting to share this:

Although I only viewed  the first twenty minutes (I watched Neco z Alenky instead) of this stage play- filmed for TV- Alice in Wonderland, I did read that the set was designed from John Tenniel's illustrations of Alice in Wonderland:

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Thinking about Serendip...

OK, I have to confess that the two classes I taking with Anne Dalke are starting to blur together.  The content is transgenre, there is lots of analysis of images, and extensive use of Serendip.  The greatest difference between literary kinds and the house of wits is how we use Serendip to record our thoughts.  Our group forums place every student’s thoughts in the context of the class discussion.  Comments are commented upon, linked to, possibly even quoted in papers.  In the other course, a student’s thoughts are placed in a single page, a bit of a blog.  (click here to view my commonplace book)  This makes it much easier to trace the development of a student’s ideas.  Such a feature

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reading.

while we spoke about reading and listening and what qualifies as reading in class i couldnt help but relate our converstaion to people.

when someone talks to me, there is a vast difference between them talking to me in person and them talking to me on the phone. because when you're spoken to in person, the level of interaction you have with the person is so much more -- intimate? deeper? (i cant find the word)

you get to read the person, you get a glimpse into what theyre thinking and feeling and whats said behind their words. on the phone, its so different, yes, your imagination gets to work better and you have to listen harder but the basic level of interaction that there is is different.

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Thoughts on the rest of the syllabus

 Stardust movie- nice way to show different "kinds"

Persepolis: the story of a childhood should have two reading and discussion days, depending on how long it is (??)

Yes on selected stories from  thousand and one nights, provides historical context for above

Dreams movie- what relevance does that have?

Reading high castle and dante’s inferno would be fun, excerpts vs. full texts?

No comment on house

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Class Notes

Class Notes

Start class off with 2 images. (From fluid to fixed)

Are we finding note taking useful? No one talked about it evaluations.

sweetp: When taking notes for the class I thought it was kind of fun. It was nice to kind of sit back and watch. I got kind of creative, but as a reader I know I never look at them.

Anne: Fun and interesting to do the note taking, but don’t really look at them.

rachelr: I don’t read them on a regular basis, but I found something interesting that Paul said that I used in my paper.

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The semester...

 In terms of the reading for the remainder of the semester I would not like to read a second graphic novel after A Game of You, so I do not want to read Persepolis. I would really like to read parts from Thousand and One Nights however- I feel that would be a good compliment and extension of our current text choices. The movie Stardust would be nice to see as it is based on A Game of You and I feel that another view on the same story line would bring a part of what the class liked about the mystery/Sherlock idea that we had back into the syllabus. The movie Dreams also looks really interesting, so if there is any way that we could watch both movies I think that would be great.

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On the book's migration to the digital realm...

Michiko Kakutani's March 17, 2010 NYTimes essay on "Reading and the Web: Texts Without Context"

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My Thoughts on Our Future

 I believe that the constructed syllabus for the next few weeks is intriguing in its form as well as its content. Personally, I am interested in utilizing some of Wai Chee’s suggestions because they were simply SO different! I have never read Dante’s Inferno, yet I have heard a lot about it—and no description I have heard has ever sounded like Wai Chee’s classification of it as an early “science fiction.” I think reading this piece of literature with an eye towards its science fiction characteristics could prove to be extremely interesting and helpful towards our search of what genre exactly is.

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Horrorland?

 Carroll's Alice in Wonderland is given a brutal, disturbing interpretation by Svankmajer in Neco z Alenky. In this darker portrayal, there is not much that is freeing about Wonderland, after all. Wonderland (or shall we call it Horrorland?) becomes the expression of the deepest, most disturbing, recesses of consciousness, from which Alice cannot escape. The narration in Neco z Alenky in particular draws attention to the fact that all the characters Alice encounters are figments of her own mind, as the camera zooms in on her mouth as she (rather eerily) speaks for each character.

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Class Summary 3/23 - Alice continued...

 Anne began the class with the question of whether assigning people (today, I’m one of them) to take notes on our class discussions has been useful. She raised interesting questions about what happens when different people write accounts of what is seemingly the same experience. The accounts are inevitably different, taken from different points of view, and dependent on what the note-taker selectively perceives and takes an interest in. There is always a gap between what is said and what is heard. In other words, much is lost in translation.

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My Recent Thoughts

 Today during our class I was confronted with many issues pertaining to how I think of what classifies "reading." Very similar to what others seemed to express, I think that audiotapes of books provide some sort of literary experience; however I think much of what is gained during reading is lost when we simply listen to the words. For me, it is a very personal thing: as I read, actually seeing the words float by on the page forces me to acknowledge them. However, on a less personal note I think what is most lost when listening to texts is one's ability to have creative authorship. When I read I imagine my own characters (of course based off of the text), I have my own version of how the characters voices sound, and how their words interact with one another.

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Response to Syllabus Suggestions

I feel like the remainder of the syllabus for Literary Kinds should flow smoothly from the first part. However, this might prove to a be a problem. We will be reading a Neil Gaiman graphic novel, so it would make sense to watch a movie of his. But this movie is not an adaptation of the graphic novel; it is an entirely different story. The same goes for Persepolis--we would be watching the movie, but not reading the graphic novel so we could compare the two and analyze how different media can affect the impact of a story.

 

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Where the Wild Things Are

Our conversation-beginning today about Alice as a "very sensible 7-yr-old, @ stage of development/education where the world appears completely explainable and unambiguous" reminded me strongly of the recent film adaptation of Where the Wild Things Are.

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Alice on the big screen

This weekend I watched Phoebe in Wonderland and after reading Alice in Wonderland it made so much more sense to me than it did the first time I saw it. I think that might say something about interpretations and parodies. At times it is helpful to watch the original to truly comprehend what is going on with the other version. The movie was so wonderful and I think it helped me understand Alice a little more. Sometimes while I was reading Alice it was difficult for me to follow all the nonsense and find the deeper meaning behind all the puns and parodies. Having an alternative film version put things in a better perspective for me.