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Evolving Systems course, week 11 on the brain

Anne Dalke's picture

As always, you're free to write about whatever came into your mind in class this week. If you'd like a nudge-->what are you thinking now, about "the" brain? About your brain and how it works?

SoundsLikeBanana's picture

  I loved the discussion

 

I loved the discussion that we had on Tuesday about the rational and intuitive sides of our brains. I would just like to highlight what Meredith and I slightly debated about, whether role-plyaing could be constructive or destructive. I was actually thinking about writing about this for my paper that’s due at the end of the week!

But anyways..

So are role-playing games constructive or destructive to our rational and intuitive brains? I would say both. For some people it would be a necessary escape when their world is too frightening, are hard to deal with. But where is the line? When does a person stop using this as mental stimulation and escape, to a blatant inability to perceive reality? This topic has been the center of many action-packed sci-fi movies for a reason. With the increases in technology, anything is possible. Not only are there role playing games where people can transform themselves into any mythical being and loose themselves in another land, while safely sitting at their computers. Virtual reality has progressed far passed at home golf driving ranges and rollercoaster simulators in arcades. Will this distort our perception of reality? Is that really such a bad thing?

The more I think about this the more questions I have!

ecollier's picture

Culture is playing mean tricks... or is it?

Mentioned in last week’s class was that in general, our subconscious sees things in different ways, yet culturally we make an effort to see things in the same way. This is an especially interesting thought, because it’s so completely ingrained in our outlook on life, that I’ve never realized it until now. But could there possibly be so many more subconscious ways of seeing things than cultural? What if instead of skin color or birthplace, people were grouped by their subconscious ways of looking at things? But then, can our subconscious continue to change and eventually truly look at things in the same way as our culture does? Do people who have similar subconscious ways of looking at things understand each other more? I have had an experience with someone (cousin, five years my senior) who grew up having a completely different lifestyle and life experiences, but we’ve since ended up at the exact same outlook on life. It was an empowering feeling, of not being so alone, and also a feeling of being less special/original. Would this have anything to do with our subconscious’s being similar? And back to the original text, if we culturally try to see things in the same way, is this a form of suppression that has yet to become recognized?

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“Einstein showed that time does not exist. There is no way to know if two things happened at the same time.” This thought, although I knew Paul would say it, is a very difficult one to swallow. Futuristically, could it be possible to prove that two things happened at the same time? What if one thing causes another – like force being applied to a ball, energy transferring and the ball rolling – is there a moment there/can time be applied?

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And then from Tuesday’s class, while discussing subconscious/brain activity during sleep/dreaming/fugues/etc. we briefly mentioned coma. I thought it would be interesting to look at this more closely. So people don’t remember anything while they’re in a coma, and they are in a very vegetable-like state. But is their brain still working? I know that often people respond to others who talk to them. I know of a case where a person in a coma started crying when a visitor mentioned his family.

Something else that I want to learn more about is migraines and headaches. So brains have no nerves and therefore cannot feel pain (is this right?), so where are we feeling headaches? Can you tell us more about migraines and its causes?

 

FluteSound4's picture

My brain is my friend (when logged in)

 

At least my brain should be my friend. I mean, it is a part of me and it does a lot of work for me. So how come I don't think about it often? How come it was taking our class so long to get into a serious discussion on Thursday? I was talking to a friend this weekend and she stated that she just doesn't like to think about the insides of people. Yeah, me neither. Maybe it took us so long to get into a thoughtful discussion because thinking about the brain makes us realize that under all of this skin we're all just a bunch of gooey squishiness and we just don't like that idea.

Anyways, when asked to metaphorically describe our brains, I said mine was like a movie. I always felt like my mind was my own private movie theater because I could imagine anything I wanted to with it. During the day, while reading, it will create images of the books characters and scenes for me and at night it will unconsciously play my dreams. Not just thoughts, but pictures are going through my mind all day. Hence, my little movie theater. I remember reading an article a few years ago about how scientists still don't know which part of the brain plays dreams. Maybe the article is super outdated now because I think scientists do have some idea if they don't know yet. But I always liked the idea that dreams are still something mysterious to us and scientists. It's one of those things that our brain does that we can't explain. That to me, is what fascinates me about the brain. I mean, you always hears that we only use about one quarter of our brain. It makes me wonder what lies in the rest of our brain. Imagine what would happen if we had the ability to use our whole brain!

 

MC's picture

Brains are Delicious

There is no way we can always be in control of our own brain, but even as we think about how we aren't in control of our own brain or start thinking of ways to avoid pitfalls by "trusting" our brain, we are using our brain and trusting it to make these arguments. Different parts of the brain, yes, but we haven't been referring to the brain in terms of its parts yet, so... yeah. I don't know why I fixate on being unable to get out of your brain, but I do.

A couple of brain links:

brainmuseum.org/Evolution/index.html

www.msu.edu/~brains/brains/brains.html

keck.ucsf.edu/

www.sciencemag.org/search

content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp

content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp

I know we always care about humans, but what about other brains? What in human brains makes them different from other animal brains, and what makes them similar? This kind of goes back to the issue of intelligence, at least since comparitive brain size and mapping is used as a means of determining intelligence.

Anne Dalke's picture

our wandering minds....

Given the current tenor of our conversations (aka do we "trust our brains?") I thought y'all might enjoy, as much as I did, this piece in yesterday's Science Times: When the Mind Wanders, Happiness Also Strays. The argument here is that daydreaming will not make you as happy as focusing intensely will. Based on one survey, w/ a quarter-million responses, "minds were wandering 47 percent of the time. That figure surprised the researchers," who found it "kind of weird now to look down a crowded street and realize that half the people aren’t really there." (First question: does mind wandering mean absenting yourself?) And those wandering minds are less happy than the focusing ones...(So, second question:) Do you believe this? (And a third one:) How well does it jive w/ your own experience??

paige's picture

I am a dynamic combination of

I am a dynamic combination of organs. I sense and then I perceive. My rudimentary understanding of the brain is centered on the premise that the brain acts as a synthesizer, interpreter, distributor and storehouse of information.

We tend to romanticize our bodies. (Generalization- you, like me, may not feel this way) We feel that we cannot be just the sum of our parts because that implies that there is nothing unique or sacred within our physical selves…

But I think that the unique combination of organs and the particular experiences of those organs are exactly what makes us sacred. There will never be the exact Paige combination of organs again. That's why my brain is my best friend... I think.

SoundsLikeBanana's picture

Not just organs but cells!

Not just organs but cells! You are a bazillion paige cells are strapped together.

Along this same idea, does it make sense to say that our brain is working for us to make us feel better about ourselves? That in this case our brain is on our side and is compensating for the fact that we are all cells, by romantisizing?

Sarah Ann's picture

Control

Once again, I am posting late. Good job, Sarah. I fell asleep before posting. That almost pertains to our discussion though. My brain making my body do what's on its subconscious agenda, rather than what I consciously want it to do. I brought that up in class as evidence of a true two-part (if not more...?) brain. Things like panic attacks and anxiety disorders wouldn't happen if we were consciously in control of everything our brains do. Sometimes that deeper part, the part we don't always listen to, takes over and makes our bodies act in ways we wouldn't necessarily choose for them to do. Not only do psychosomatic repsonse demonstrate this, but the things we say. The thoughts stored in our subconscious minds influence every word that we say or write. Haven't you ever slipped and said something you didn't mean to? Your subconscious was so focused on that one thing that it overrode what you were consciously trying to say. Speaking of which, do you think about each individual word as you speak? Or is that in and of itself a nearly subconscious function?

And let me just say this now: if we start talking about perception, like whether we can know if we see colors the same way, we're all going to realize that we don't exist. Or at least feel like it. I love discussions like that. Hooray for brains! I feel like there's such an insanely large amount of things I could say about thinking, and perception, and subconsciousness, and oh, so many other brain related things... and that's why this post is shortish. I, simply put, just cannot decide.

Kirsten's picture

Brains...

 If you would have began a conversation with me about 5 or 6 years ago about brings I would have happily engaged in the conversation with you.  Today, it does not particularly interest me. I did not say much during Thursday's discussion about the brain because I didn’t have anything that I though was worthwhile to bring up. Hopefully as we go deeper into thinking about how the brain as a story teller that Will be a more interesting way for me to go about thinking about the brain. 

speaking of brains… my brain hurts from all this work I had/have to do this week

 

Hillary G's picture

Oops!

 I knew this would happen to me eventually. I forgot to log in. If my comment ever shows up, it's the one titled "Well, if you really wanna know..." (it's very cynical). 

Hillary G's picture

Well, if you really want to know...

(Here's the original comment:)

The last class we had was awesome--we sat exploring the possibilities of reality and dimensions, and whether anything is even real at all. We discussed metaphysics and perception and all of these concepts that I've always loved thinking about (hence my Psychology major).

But right now I'm having difficulty thinking about those things. I'm not going to lie, I'm very stressed out about some of my classes at the moment and the possibility that they aren't real makes ignoring my homework very tempting. Because what good would it do for any "productive" member of society to believe nothing was what it seemed? I have always been the first person to question reality, but now I wonder what good that really does. I can sit around thinking of all the metaphysical possibilities of my existence and whether or not anyone I know or anything I see is real, but then what do I have? More questions. It just keeps going in circles. Usually this topic fascinates me but lately, all I can think is that the more I doubt reality, the farther I am from getting anywhere I want to be.

Maybe I'm just tired and this all makes me sound absurd, but really though. I challenge you to ask yourself. At the end of the day, what does it really even matter?

Serendip Visitor's picture

Well if you really want to know...

The last class we had was awesome--we sat exploring the possibilities of reality and dimensions, and whether anything is even real at all. We discussed metaphysics and perception and all of these concepts that I've always loved thinking about (hence my Psychology major).

But right now I'm having difficulty thinking about those things. I'm not going to lie, I'm very stressed out about some of my classes at the moment and the possibility that they aren't real makes ignoring my homework very tempting. Because what good would it do for any "productive" member of society to believe nothing was what it seemed? I have always been the first person to question reality, but now I wonder what good that really does. I can sit around thinking of all the metaphysical possibilities of my existence and whether or not anyone I know or anything I see is real, but then what do I have? More questions. It just keeps going in circles. Usually this topic fascinates me but lately, all I can think is that the more I doubt reality, the farther I am from getting anywhere I want to be.

Maybe I'm just tired and this all makes me sound absurd, but really though. I challenge you to ask yourself. At the end of the day, what does it really even matter?

Summer's picture

Sorry brain, I've been ignoring you for so long!

     I've never actually seriously thought about brains. It's kinda funny that we are using our body every second ever since we were born and most of us don't really pay attention to them. 

    I have tons of questions about the brains. What makes the brains special amongst the organs? What makes them capable of control the bodies? Why are them like hard drives? What role do the brains play in dreams? 

    After last week's discussion, I kept thinking about the subconscious. The idea of subconscious confuses me. If there's a subconscious existing inside us, does that mean there's another thing inside us that is logic beside "self"? Also, is the subconscious inside our brains? It reminds me of our discussion about souls weeks ago. Subconscious is very close to the concept of souls. I'm wondering what are the connections between brains and souls...

    I'm looking forward to this week's discussion. I'm eager to find out more about the mysterious brains.

Imittleman's picture

 I thought the discussion we

 I thought the discussion we had in class was very interesting. But I was thinking a lot about what we'd been talking about in terms of "reality".

I find discussing "reality" in terms of a measurable reality - such as sight, smell or hearing - much more valuable than that of another's perception. We can't actually measure perception because we are stuck in our own realities and can't scientifically compare them. It seems kind of dangerous. Sometimes a "standard" is necessary, even if it is sort of a falsely constructed reality that we agree upon. I see the merit in denying that any true, universal reality exists but one can usually take that too far.  

 

LAJW's picture

Reflection

 

I think last week's discussion involved a lot of information that was novel to me. I really enjoyed discussing the idea of the construction of the brain. After reading the article “ the Phantom in the brain”, I do not take my body, more precisely my brain, for granted any more. I was really amazed by the extremely complicated interactions occur in our brains everyday. I realized that there are so many things about brain that normal human beings do not appreciate. After this week's discussion, I think I appreciate my life to a larger extent than before. However, while enjoying reading the bizarre functions of various parts of brain and how they are interconnected to give human beings the sense of reality and consciousness, I am very confused about one concept. It seems that Neurologist V.S. Ramachandran can give us very justifiable and logical reasons to explain various problems faced by patients. However, if we really explore the question deep, do you think it is contradictory to study our brain functions using the brain itself? Is it just another story that is constructed by our brain to explain the phenomenons we have observed so far?

 

Yeah, Neurologist V.S. Ramachandran actually introduced a lot of ideas and wise experiments to prove his hypothesis. However, he himself also committed that human beings need to have a coherent belief system to maintain a sense of continuity and that belief system is constructed by the brain at left hemisphere. If so, consciousness and reality are actually constructed by the human brain. How can he prove that the “reality” constructed by his brain is reality? It may be just the case that his reality happens to be shared by a large percentage of the whole human population? Like what we have discussed in class: there is nothing that accounts for everything. There is indeed no truth and we live in our own brain constructions.

 

Angela_MCA's picture

What exists

 I was thinking earlier about that saying that someone had mentioned in class. About if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it make a sound? Sound is something that we perceive and interpret, so if no one is there to perceive it, no sounds is made. However, the waves that we perceive do exist, so something DOES exists and we just perceive it our own way. That being said, how different do other living things perceive sound and everything else? If something exists, but what exists is only what one perceives, then everyone and everything could be in a different reality and we wouldn't know. Our brain might interpret all information as something different than the next person....its possible...

bluebox's picture

Follow the white rabbit.

 I find it rather comforting to think that we live in a matrix. Not the matrix, just a world that's not the real one. It makes me feel better believing that every big decision I make that changes my life is really as big of a deal as it feels like at the time. (ex. which college to go to.) Now, I don't remember if this train of thought was in class or just in my head during class (or both), but wouldn't it be cool if there were multiple dimensions or universes existing in the same place, but we can't tell they're there?  It might be able to explain some things we can't with logic, like ghosts who might just be extremely visible inhabitants of another dimension.

I remember in high school talking about Socrates' Allegory of the Cave, and it was what really got me thinking about reality and just how real it is.  This made me wonder if I would rather be the one person who escaped the cave and saw the light, or if I would prefer being one of the others who were perfectly content with the shadows on the cave wall.  Is ignorance bliss? I'd like to think I'd be curious enough to take the red pill and see reality, if given the chance. Looking up the Matrix on wikipedia reminded me of a scene from the movie Total Recall with Arnold Schwarzenegger in which Arnold is offered a red pill (just like the Matrix O.o) to wake up from his dream. Arnold realizes it's reality because the guy offering him the pill has a large, obnoxious bead of sweat rolling down his bald and shiny head. So, obviously, Arnold kills him and everyone else present with much gore and glorious violence.  My point for this is that Arnold knew it was a dream because he saw something wrong/unpleasant so it must be real. We see things that are wrong and unpleasant every day, so it must not be a dream or fantasy, right? But what about the really really horrible things out there, like genocide and starvation and widespread poverty and all of that stuff that we've been told is out there? We don't let it affect us because we've never seen it. Does it mean it doesn't exist? Or does the fact that it doesn't affect us mean that this reality isn't real? How far can we trust what we perceive and our brains know?

schu's picture

Brain...

Well, I strongly recommend that you can take a look at the links Lemon Koala provided. As her classmate this semester in bio lab, I was quite shock when Wil showed us that how untrustable our brain is.

But anyway, we have to trust our brain. Rather say it is a betrayal, I believe in the good side of the brain: It is protecting us. Although the brain doesn't let us know its true color, it does things that truely help us understand the world in a more perceivable way. There are too many infomation for the brain to take care, and if the burden is on our shoulder, there is no guarantee that we can sit here and focus on one topic named "brain". At one sight, your eyes see a laptop, your tapping hands, a bright lamp, bunches of notebooks of different color, several pens.......If you are the one to deal with the high-throughput messages every second, you are going crazy. When the brain feels the danger, it sends signals to us as warning sign.

But on the other hand, when the brain stop functioning well, we have to know what's happening inside. Also, we want to know if we can trust our intuition, since we are not  the main characters of TV shows who know exactly what to do in the nick of time. Does the "betrayal" of brain mean that I, a complete soul as I understand, am just a part of my body which is not that intelligent who is in charge of the thinking part of my body? All the features that we can't control are called human nature, but where do they come from? What if we can switch on and off our ability to understand every dicision of our brain, will us be a super monster computer who is too well to analyze everything rationally and intelligently that we may lose our nature and emotions?

christinequeho's picture

Brain.

It's funny the way brains work, like how some brains process faster than others.  Sometimes brains can "absorb more information" than others.  I wonder why that is.  Is it possible to train the brain?  And it's amazing how much storage the brain can hold, but can it hold infinite amounts of information?  I mean, doesn't the brain get rid of some memory to make space for more information (why we forget things)?  How much can the brain actually hold?

genesisbui's picture

Since I was a child, I have

Since I was a child, I have always had trouble coping with my grandfather's death. I felt grief that his presence was erased from the facet of this world. But what gives me some hope is the fact that his presence still resides within me. His memory isn't a construction that only existed in the past, but continues to live in the present with me. That love and courage that he left behind in that third grader's conscious continues to grow, and as long as my brain remains bigger than the sky...it will be able to grow. I believe that everyone has the presence of a love one who has passed away, and to this day struggle to keep their presence alive.
 

ecollier's picture

Brain Drain

Unfortunately I missed Thursday’s class, but I’ll talk about the gist of what I’ve heard was discussed.

The brain as a “site of story construction” is an expected yet perfect loop toward the first week of class all over again.

I’ve had this notion that mind is separate from brain. Brain being more of an organ used to survive in my world, and the mind capable of great emotions and indescribable feelings. What is the difference, if any, between brain and mind?

I think it’s really interesting that I often allow other people’s realities to influence my own. For example, if I’m feeling negative toward something, and someone that I respect feels highly of that same thing, I’ll suddenly allow myself to change. Sometimes, I’ll become happier/more content if I can change from a possibly judgmental or pessimistic view. My reality is changing to match someone else’s. People often do this the opposite way as well – they change their views to be contrary. Because of this, I often try to consciously do it to other people.  Simple out-loud appreciation of goodness in life can often influence the mood of those around you. Possibly especially at this age or time in our life where we’re still so open to influence.

Another thing that I cannot possibly ignore for too long a time is our unconscious movements during the day. Most basically, walking or breathing. And more complicatedly, things like forging friendships or striving to reach a goal. It’s very challenging for me to make the connections between taking in information, processing it, and acting upon that. How can I possibly understand the way that our thoughts transfer to our actions. I’ve struggled with this for too much time already. Hmm…

If biological change influences cultural change and cultural change influences biological change, can environment influence brain and vice versa?

 

paige's picture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

You might find this interesting and it may be related to "allow[ing]other people's realities to influence [your] own."
 

SoundsLikeBanana's picture

    What I found interesting

 

 

What I found interesting from Thursday’s discussion was Aimee’s feeling of betrayal towards her brain and my contrasting thankfulness for it. While I’m sure we both are thankful for our brains, since we wouldn’t be here without them, it was our initial feelings that struck me. I was happy that my brain was taking over for me and keeping some of my necessary bodily functions to itself, while not always in the case of the boy I referenced in class. In that sense, I completely agree with Aimee, when my conscious brain was telling me that he was an misogynist, the rest of me was attracted to him. This definitely made me wary of my brain, but betrayed?

We have studied this in psychology and I love the interplay between the conscious and the unconscious. While I think Freud’s adaptations of these two, or in his case three, types of consciousness are a little too sexually fueled, they seem valid. Our conscious mind is in control of our “here and now” thoughts, such as what is going on at this very moment. The preconscious holds the thoughts that you were just thinking, basic thoughts that have the ability to be conscious thoughts, they can also be memories from earlier on. Unconscious holds all your unspoken, and maybe even unknown, desires and thoughts. Each manifests itself in different ways, such as the unconscious plays out in one’s dreams, leading to why Frued would make his patients talk him through their dreams, psychoanalyzing their unconscious desires.

Aimee's picture

Explaining Betrayal: A Confessional

This ESEM is forcing me to analyze the ways in which I think. Through my essays, forum postings, and conversations in class, I've recognized my hatred for uncertainty. I am not always a rational thinker. I frequently ramble and question what I know. And, oddly enough, I hate the fact that I ask so many questions. I hate that questions exist in the first place. Questions are signs that we don't have all the answers I seek. I want to know who I am, why I'm here, where we came from, and where we're going. I crave transparency and openness; I want these answers to be accessible, available, apparent. Sadly, they're incredibly opaque.

Does God exist?

Do humans - or any other creatures - have souls?

What was the true course of human evolution?

How will humanity end? How will I end?

And the list goes on...

Perhaps I shouldn't hate uncertainty. Plenty of people use uncertainty as an outlet for creativity and exploration. That's why we have science and math - to empirically understand our reality. That's also why we have literature and the arts - to intuitively express our reality.

But neither empiricism nor intuition is enough for me. I want concrete answers. It's a psychological flaw - an anxiety of sorts. I guess I'm horribly phobic of the unknown. 

This brings us to the concept of betrayal. What did I mean when I said that I felt betrayed by my brain? Well, I think it's unsettling to have an unconscious mind. It hides thoughts from me. It hides from me, yet it is a part of me. So, I don't even have the transparency to know myself. I can't trust myself, since I don't really know who and what I am nor what I'm thinking. If I believe, even for a second, that I'm in full control of my thoughts, then I'm lying to myself. Stupid, deceitful, lying brain.

Frankly, I'm beginning to doubt that I'm an "I" or a "me." I am a bunch of neurons; I am 50 trillion cells arranged in some semblance of order. But am I even truly ordered? For all I know, I could be growing a tumor, and that tumor might kill me. My heart, an organ that my brain unconsciously controls, might suddenly cease to beat. So, my body can betray me, too.

I really, really hate uncertainty. I think that's why I utilize intense vocabulary and extreme viewpoints. I know the world exists in shades of gray, but gray is uncertain. Why not see the world in black and white, where reality and clarity go hand-in-hand?

"Betrayal" is a strong word - a black and white word. But it is visceral, poignant, and the best reflection of how I feel. I am deeply conflicted. Shouldn't I feel thankful that my kidneys aren't reporting back to me on the state of their urinary output? Shouldn't I be grateful that my blood pressure remains stable on its own? Why aren't I? Why am I so freakin' looney tunes?

 

Erin's picture

Brain & Perception

As we moved toward the last series of discussion, the things are getting more complicated. I really enjoyed our metaphors about brains last week. I think Prianna’s metaphor about the puppet. This metaphor reminds me of several experiments Biological lab. It talks about the perception and the brain. The experiments test the blind points, sensitive of the nerve system by test how close can you feel between two points.

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The thing that came up to my mind immediately after biology lab is that don’t trust your feelings because they are so vulnerable to the sight changes during the process from the actual scenario to the mental phase. Later, something more meaningful came up. The structure of body which processes the data we receive every moment from surrounding environment and the subjective interpretation of same phenomenon leads to various observation results. These imperfect observations will result in conclusion which are possible not close to the ultimate fact at all. I don’t seeing is believing still hold if seeing is not accurate.

I have to say that the first word actually is mess. Because I don’t think I will never be able to figure out the whole mechanism behind the mysteries. However, one connection I have already built about brain and our perception is that given same situation our perceptions help our brains draw different conclusion just as given the same topic our stories will be diverged

Bingqing's picture

Playwriter

V. S. Ramachandran’ lecture, “Phantoms in the brain”, gave me a kind of feeling that brains are not just organs of humans’ bodies but controllers of human beings. Brains are like play-writers while human beings are performers who think and act follow the plots created by play-writers. It seems like that the brain interprets the stimulation and then sends signals to the nerve cells located near the tissues and organs where the brain wants the actions and behavior to be done. When a person cannot behave as normally as others do, something wrong happens to his brain, such as the brainstem, limbic system and fusiform gyrus. (See, the play-writer gets mad and design crazy and abnormal actions for performer to act.) 

 

I wonder which role human beings’ proud consciousness plays here and which part of a complete reflex arc is controlled by or derived from consciousness? I ask this not because I doubt the existence and superiority human. I know that I must lose some important logic steps here but I cannot figure them out. I just feel confused. 

 

Another interesting point of view that I heard from my friend next door is that we can conceive something’s existence because of the complex interpretations and syntheses of brain. For example, we know that a desk is here, because we can see it and the touch it, senses constructed in our brains. The truth is we never know whether a desk (the reality) really exists.   

 

Serendip Visitor's picture

My brain is my friend

At least my brain should be my friend. I mean, it is a part of me and it does a lot of work for me. So how come I don't think about it often? How come it was taking our class so long to get into a serious discussion on Thursday? I was talking to a friend this weekend and she stated that she just doesn't like to think about the insides of people. Yeah, me neither. Maybe it took us so long to get into a thoughtful discussion because thinking about the brain makes us realize that under all of this skin we're all just a bunch of gooey squishiness and we just don't like that idea.

Anyways, when asked to metaphorically describe our brains, I said mine was like a movie. I always felt like my mind was my own private movie theater because I could imagine anything I wanted to with it. During the day, while reading, it will create images of the books characters and scenes for me and at night it will unconsciously play my dreams. Not just thoughts, but pictures are going through my mind all day. Hence, my little movie theater. I remember reading an article a few years ago about how scientists still don't know which part of the brain plays dreams. Maybe the article is super outdated now because I think scientists do have some idea if they don't know yet. But I always liked the idea that dreams are still something mysterious to us and scientists. It's one of those things that our brain does that we can't explain. That to me, is what fascinates me about the brain. I mean, you always hears that we only use about one quarter of our brain. It makes me wonder what lies in the rest of our brain. Imagine what would happen if we had the ability to use our whole brain!

elisagogogo's picture

Hi brain~

  Last week’s discussion about brain let me feel that the most unfamiliar things are usually things that we think we are familiar with. I’ve never carefully thought about my brain before, because everything else that I do is based on my brain and there is nothing more common than let my brain “work” for me. Such a work was so unconscious and usual that I even feel awkward to say “let my brain work for me”. The topic was very interesting because we were trying to use the brain to understand the brain itself. To use our conscious thought to understand unconsciousness that every human has experienced. It’s hard for me to think of anything else that has the same magic power: our mouth can eat while it cannot eat itself; our hands can touch itself and everything else but it can rarely unconsciously do that…

  The other thing I find interesting is “reality” and “self-construction”. I think there is an objective reality existing in the world, but there is also a subjective reality which might be slightly different to everyone based on his/her self experience and interpretation. And again, I want to use something I learnt in psychology called prototype theory to explain this. In prototype theory, a large number of Smith brothers have the same attributes: eyeglasses, moustache, big nose, big ears and white hair… but some brothers may don’t have shared features with others. If we superimpose all their pictures together, distill common features and fade out specific detail, we can get a prototype. People various in certain extant from the prototype, but nobody’s mouth would grow above his/her eyes. I feel the prototype theory also works in the way how two kinds of reality work. There is an objective reality, the undeniable truth, just like the distilled common physical appearance of Smith brothers. But people can have their own reality within certain range, just like the variation among how people look like.

CParra's picture

Science Interest?

Learning about the brain has sparked an interest that I thought I never had.

When I was in HS my teacher told me that the reason one feels deja-vu is because your brain has an overload and it confuses the present with the past so the feeling of "oh, i have done this before" is nothing spiritual or anything to do with reincarnation because it is your brain having an overload.

 

When I first found this out I was so excited  I told everyone. 

But what we talked about on Thursday was a real brain "f*&^"

thinking that everything around you can be a figment of your imagination can really cause problms to your reality.

I remember I asked if we can just fix the problem with the disease that prevents you from seeing faces, but Paul said which reality is the true reality.

 

Now that I think of I think a true reality is the one that most believe in. It might not actually be the absolute reality but it is one. I think whatever reality you think is true should be the one you live by. Also if that man received a fracture and something became different from his head we should ask if he wants to see his mom again and help him fix that problem. If he says no then we leave him to his own reality.

 

I don't know if there is a cure for any of these problems, but how difficult is it to fix the problem. If we know the cause for certain problems in the brain then shouldn't we be close to what the solution is. How come we can't just fix the brain injury?

mwechsler's picture

Brains are kind of cool...

 This week I liked our discussion of brains much more than I liked our discussion of morality. One seemed actually practical, while the other seemed frustrating and actually harmfull. I believe that there is a "reality," but I also think that is definitely worth noting that we have no way of knowing what it would even mean for that reality to "exist" out side of our own perception of it. And we can never know, by definition, which, while somewhat infuriating, is also kind of cool. Like what Carolina said about always being able to know more but never

being able to know everything.

nina0404's picture

Do I think about what?

Do you think about your brain often? Do you think about the unconscious? 

Well before this class I never really did. 

That was my response to the question in seminar last Thursday. On a normal day I think, I study, slove problems, and do all types of things that I couldn't do with out my brain. But I never think about it. I never say "oh hey good job brain", and I never really think about things that I do unconsciously, in fact that sounds like an oxymoron. Think about your unconscious. It was interesting to see when we went around the room all the different ways you could see your brain. As an organ, a wrinkley thing, a puppet master, like chocolate. So I just wanted to take the time right now to say Thank You to my brain, because after Thursday I felt like it's something that I take for granted. It's amazing how everything in your brain works and how when you injure it, things could seriously be messed up for you. I would never not want to not be able to recognize people that I know. That would be awful. How can little parts of your brain control something so important as being able to make you feel good when seeing someone? I will say it again, AMAZING!

Olivia's picture

brains and consciousness

In the class, I said I think the study on the brain only tells us how brain works and how we behave, but it doesn't tell us how we think. And later we mentioned the notions "consciousness" and "unconsciousness".  And I still feel that the structure of the brain or the function of the brain doesn't help us to understand the consciousness better. I think consciousness is how we think, and to understand how we think, we need to understand how our consciousness works, which I don't think is what Psychology focuses on.

Julie G.'s picture

Brains, brains, brains

 Bzzzzt! That's the sound I think my neurons make down their axons before they "sshpsssh" into their synapses. "Chuuung, chuung, chuung" are my neurotransmitters as they bind to their receptors before another axon starts bzzztting again. So basically I think of my brain as this crazy machine with bzzzts! sshpssshs! and chuuungs! And the crazy thing is that all these sounds, these functions, they make me who I am; they are what I feel, see, taste, smell, hear, and think. And they're different from yours, because we're different: genetically, perinatally, and experientially. But I can change them, these neural functions of mine; I can help them learn new things. So I can influence who I am. I can think about how I want my thoughts to be different. I can self-condition. And that is incredible!

paige's picture

I hear the sounds of thinking

I hear the sounds of thinking in my head as a typewriter zinging. Sometimes its just the whooshing of information, blood and neurotransmitters!

kbonds's picture

Secret Worlds

   I think the brain is a wonderful thing. It takes all of this information our senses give us and makes it comprehendible. I'm sure I'll never fully understand how it does what it does and how it contains a person inside of it, but for now I don't really need to know.

   Speaking of not needing to know, I know most people in my class were getting frustrated talking about how there is no reality… again. At this point I see three views or ideas showing up in class that most people seem to identify with in terms of the reality vs. no reality thing. Some people never want to think about it again. The world is fine how it is, and they are tired of getting their mind effed every week or so. Some people (like me) have come to terms with the fact that there is no reality but your own that is inside your head, end of story. Some people firmly believe that the consensus of reality is in fact reality. I'm sure some people are in between or completely different, but these were the most vocal views I heard in class.

   Like I said, I identify with the "there is no reality but your own" stance. I'll explain why to the best of my abilities. This year I coined this phrase for myself: "You are the center of your own universe." It is based on our class discussions and a quote from The Sandman, which was made into an xkcd comic (http://xkcd.com/52/). The comic makes me think of the brain itself and all the connections it makes constantly, which could go on forever. So really, not only are you the center of your own universe, you also contain said universe. And every day we encounter different universes and make them part of our own, so by the end of our lives we have made thousands of universe-connections, and it ends up looking like the comic. 

   The way this connects to our reality discussion is that because I am the center of my own entire universe, there is no reality but my own. We may observe the same things, but no two people will look at one thing and have the exact same reaction to it. Our Brain Drains prove this. We are told to think about something we all read, that was the same, that was "reality", but we each wrote slightly different things about that reality. Think about the color blue. I guarantee we all have different shades pictured in our heads. This is what makes each reality different: not the things we observe, but the way our brains observe them.

   I'm not really sure this makes sense to anyone else but me, but it's a work in progress. It's just what I feel our brain does, and what I feel about reality.

 

 

Anne Dalke's picture

on finding the center

I want to lay alongside that striking phrase that ""You are the center of your own universe" another observation, that there is no center to the universe--perhaps said most strikingly by Joanna Russ in "Aesthetics" (rpt. Feminisms: An Anthology of Literary Theory and Criticism):

There used to be an odd, popular, and erroneous idea that the sun revolved around the earth. This has been replaced by an even odder, equally popular, and equally erroneous idea that the earth goes around the sun. In fact, the moon and the earth revolve around a common center, and this commonly-centered pair revolves w/ the sun around another common center, except that you must figure in all the solar planets here, so things get complicated. Then there is the motion of the solar system w/ regard to a great many other objects, e.g., the galaxy, and if at this point you ask what does the motion of the earth really look like from the center of the entire universe, say (and where are the Glotolog?), the only answer is:
that is doesn't,
Because there isn't.

It occurs to me that contemporary education can work very well when it involves a three-step process:

Paul Grobstein's picture

another route to decentering

Quoted in "On Beyond Newton"
The old idea was always that the stars were fixed to a crystal vault to stop them falling down. Today we have found the courage to let them soar through space without support ...  The universe has lost its centre overnight, and woken up to find it has countless centres. So that each one can now be seen as the centre, or none at all. .............. Life of Galileo, by Bertold Brecht

Julie G.'s picture

Thought tangent

 Look what you started: Sandman -> Neil Gaiman: words -> Across the Universe ("words are flowing out...")

Anne Dalke's picture

Brainy Metaphors

We were stumbling a bit in our class today (my theory is that we shouldn't have started this section on the brain w/ two 'authoritative' lectures...it took us too long to realize that we had brains ourselves, and could speak w/ authority about our own experience!)...until I asked everyone to describe their brain, metaphorically. Then we started cooking!

My brain is a
"a wrinkly thing" (a cauliflower)
the sea
a puppet master
a movie
a giant jawbreaker (i.e.: unending layers...)
chocolate ("too much of it makes me sick")
an organ
a magical machine
a controller
a Doppelgänger
a cage
my best friend
a (very messy) Victorian house, w/ an attic and a basement, both crammed  full....

Then we tried to organize these impressions of our brains into two parts; in consciousness we placed the
questioner
machine
"a daytime movie"
"can't turn it off," and
"can be trusted."
In the unconscious we placed
the sea
"a nighttime movie"
magic
"unpredictable"
the puppet master (there was some debate about where to place this...also: if my brain is a puppet master, then what am I? the puppet??).

Discussion, thereafter, was fascinating. There was testimony of things our brains knew that "we" didn't (where is the self, if not in the brain?); of being surprised (for example) by panic attacks, when "we thought" everything was fine; one of us said that she felt her brain had "betrayed" her...

I think there's lots more to come, where all this came from....
 

Paul Grobstein's picture

Dickinson and beyond

Yep, lots more to come.  Key point is that Dickinson and Ramachandran (and others) put it ALL in the brain, not only the "unconscious" but the "conscious" as well.  And, if so, everything we are consciously aware of, is a construction that might be different if the brain were different, a "story" in the sense that it could be otherwise. That's a pretty powerful idea that we'll talk more about on Tuesday.  And then on Thursday we'll have a look at the brain constructs things, which turns out to be very much a function of both unconscious and conscious processes.  For a quick preview, see /exchange/grobstein/olympiad07

Olivia's picture

Babies and Racism

In the class, when Americans were having a heated discussion on race issues, I was wandering why China doesn’t have the race problem. Why don’t Chinese have those kinds of discussions? Race seems never raising our concerns. The answer may be Chinese are of the same race. But we do have white and black people. In my high school, we have five American students. We all showed great interests in them. We felt curious. That’s it. No racial issues arose. I guess maybe because the number of them is too small. If we had 300 white or black people in our school, then race would be a problem. Therefore, I guess racial issues can’t exist when there are not enough different people to make it a problem. It can also apply to two different groups of the same race or of multi races, such as our ESEM groups. If only one or two students from the other class come to our class, we will just be curious about them, showing great interests towards them. But if the whole group comes, we both get defensive. Similarly, if only one A color person come into a group of B color people, the B color people will just be curious and show strong interests. But if a group of A color people join a group of B color people, both groups will be defensive, and there arises the racial issues. Therefore, a baby staring longer at a person that has different color from him/her tells us nothing about whether babies are racists or not. Or even racism is just one defensive feeling towards color difference.  And humans have defensive feelings towards all kinds of differences.

 

Julie G.'s picture

Defining Racism

 I think you make an interesting point about the types of feelings and reactions of groups and individuals regarding race. However, it seems to me that an intrinsic part of racism, as with sexism, classism, and many other "isms" or "others" is the reactions and interpretations of the individual, or "outsider." I agree that our differences can simply provoke curiosities without intended qualitative values. But consider how the outsider themselves feel. Perhaps there is no active intention of oppression or degradation, but it may still exist. For example, the questions people can ask when they are merely being curious can actually be unintentionally disrespectful and offensive. And I think much of that has to do with this whole zero-sum game thing we've been talking about. In many ways, we choose to be the way we are; we choose at least some of our characteristics. If we have chosen them, then we often think they are superior to their alternatives, and often judgement -- conscious or otherwise -- often ensues on those who have chosen differently. If we could all find a way to acknowledge differences without placing qualitative values on them, then -- theoretically -- we could eradicate racism.