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Welcome to InClass/OutClassed: On the Uses of a Liberal Education, an Emily Balch Seminar offered in Fall 2011 @ Bryn Mawr College. This is an interestingly different kind of place for writing, and may take some getting used to. The first thing to keep in mind is that it's not a site for "formal writing" or "finished thoughts." It's a place for thoughts-in-progress, for what you're thinking (whether you know it or not) on your way to what you think next. Imagine that you're just talking to some people you've met. This is a "conversation" place, a place to find out what you're thinking yourself, and what other people are thinking. The idea here is that your "thoughts in progress" can help others with their thinking, and theirs can help you with yours.

So who are you writing for? Primarily for yourself, and for others in both sections of our course. But also for the world. This is a "public" forum, so people anywhere on the web might look in. That's the second thing to keep in mind here. You're writing for yourself, for others in the class, AND for others you might or might not know. So, your thoughts in progress can contribute to the thoughts in progress of LOTS of people. The web is giving increasing reality to the idea that there can actually evolve a world community, and you're part of helping to bring that about.

We're glad to have you along, and hope you come to both enjoy and value our shared exploration of class, in education and outside it. Fee free to comment on any post below, or to POST YOUR THOUGHTS HERE.


Chandrea's picture

Reflection on Access to Education

I never realized how much I could relate to Richard Rodriguez's experiences in school. After my one-on-one I decided to change the direction of my original paper. My most recent paper argued that if one doesn't have access to the person one is, it hinders the progress one has both as a student and a person outside of school. I have trouble identifying as a Cambodian because I can't speak the Khmer language, thereore I find it hard to socialize with other Cambodian people. When I can't socialize with a certain group of people that I should be able to fit in with, it's obvious that I'm not one of them. My parents and teachers had good intentions when they taught me the English language but I'm discovering now that I'm a product of assimilation. I read over Rodriguez's article to remember what it was about and it was slightly painful and relieving for me to read. It was painful in the sense that I know that I felt exactly the way Rodriguez felt for being annoyed at my parents' grammatical errors and them not being able to help me with my homework. But it was also relieving to know that it is indeed possible to lose a language and also a part of my identity. I thought it was a ridiculous claim and I beat myself up about it, but now that I have thought and written about it, I really do believe it.

nbnguyen's picture

Reflection on "Access to education"

"Women in Luttrell’s study did not have access to schooling in the past. But I believe what they learned in the daily life gave them the access to education. Their intelligence is attached with common sense. “I think being intelligent means coping with things in life. Even people with high IQs or with college degrees don’t know how to do the simplest, everyday things or cope with everyday problems.” (Luttrell 25). Knowing how to deal with life involves self-development. For example, a woman who gains experience as a mother, overtime may be better at giving births and taking care of children. They develop their skills by reflecting what they did, correcting their mistakes and improving their situations in the future. On the contrary, in case of Jane Tompkins, despite her advanced schooling, her education is cut off from the real life situations. All she learned is just theoretical. She was not well-equipped for life. “It would be more helpful to students if, as a starting point, universities conceived education less as training for a career than an introduction to life.” (Tompkins 223). Tompkins, according to the basic definition, did not really access to education due to her advanced schooling".

LJ's picture

Reflection on access to education

I found this paper particularly difficult to write. The reason for my difficulties was my trouble determining what education is. Everyone has access to some sort of education whether it be education on street politics or Shakespeare. When writing my paper I decided to focus only on academic education because this is the education that is less available for the majority of people. My claim stated that there are two main ways to receive this kind of education. The first is by having the financial stability to afford academic education or second, by having some sort of mentor to guide you there. I used Rodriguez and Luttrell’s pieces to support my claim. Though, there are other factors to whether or not you have access to academic education, such as where you live, the base of it all is money and whether there is someone you trust who values academic education.

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Reflection on One's Access to Education

When I was brainstorming ideas to right about for my essay, initially, I had been intending to write about how class affects a person’s access to education. The amount of money and cultural capital a person possesses determines how easily resources are available to him/her and the quality of the resources available; however, when reflecting and comparing between Tompkins’s, Yezierska’s and Rodriguez’s educations and their consequences, I found that that amount of resources a person has access to does not determine the level of satisfaction a student will walk away with once higher education is attained. What unfolded was that individuals have a choice in what they get out of their education by means of the different ways in which they choose to utilize their resources at hand to gain what they want and develop into who they are. Thus, education was really the vehicle in which people find themselves - discover their passions and potentials.

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Mfon's reflection on access to education

“However,  I strongly believe that the access that counts is access to formal education – education that makes waves. This occurs in the classroom and attaches a respectable title to your name and function, in addition to a higher pay check. It can make the difference between your wearing a blue or white collar. It takes you places, making you relevant beyond your immediate community. With it you don’t plead, you negotiate. It empowers you to play the game of life more successfully. Yes, to survive in today’s society an individual needs the platform of formal education to discover, harness and achieve his or her full potential. There is only so much that common sense or experience gained from daily life can do for you. To be a beauty queen, you must answer the questions you are asked intelligently, without stumbling over words or groping for them. If you cannot read, analyze data, and express yourself clearly and persuasively, you will be used, abused and recycled.  Common sense is never enough.”

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Reflection on education and access

When I initially began thinking about my Friday night paper, and what, exactly, education allows one to access, I was thinking that I might make a distinction between formal (classroom based) education, and informal (life based) education, much like the women in the Lutrell piece did.  However, after thinking about it carefully, I decided that I didn't want to make that distinction at all.  Instead, I started to think about Dewey's theory of education as requiring both experience and reflection, and how that can come from a variety of sources.  This lead me to question the standard line of formal education: That it is the one definite path to future success.  

Instead, I wondered if all forms of education actually allow us to access the same exact thing: An awareness that we know virtually nothing, and a desire to continuously test new ideas, which would lead to further assurance that we know nothing, and so on.  This is basically where I centered my argument.  I believe that all education can really offer us is a desire for more education, and that this desire is inherently valuable, far beyond the value of a good job or future connections.  

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Reflection

When I started trying my essay my claim was going to be how wealth is the only thing that gives people an access of educated. Eventually throughout my writing I realized this was not my claim, my claim was that no matter the wealth, how people react to education is how they learn. Such as resources are important and you get resources through money but without enthusiatic teachers an education cannot be learned. It shocked my how much I related to my own claim because my teachers weren't very good but my school had all the resources they needed.

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The Source of Access

In my paper on the relationship betweenaccess and education I argued that class is the major deciding factor in how much and what kind of education one gets. But as I was writing my paper and reflecting on Thursday class's discussion I came to the conclusion that no matter what kind of education one gets 'too much' of a good thing can be a bad thing. Whether one takes the path of formal education, etc. one can go too far down on either path and becomse cut off from the rest of the world. An education gives access to a range of opportunities bases on what kind of education one is given so perhaps the real question is, when does education become detrimental to individual and when does it become detrimental to society?

kganihanova's picture

The relationship between access and relationship

As I reflected this week about the relationship between access and education, I thought a lot about the balance that needs to be maintained between academics and life. Access to education is achieved by not only being smart but by also having the resources needed to maintain schooling. Poor and rich people get different educations, but not everyone gets the same education. Your access to education is not the only thing that makes education, it is your approach to it. If you don't appreciate it- all the access in the world won't do anything. I am definitely lucky to have access to education and reflecting on the fact that I've gotten both experiential and academic learning, I feel blessed!

kganihanova's picture

The relationship between access and relationship

As I reflected this week about the relationship between access and education, I thought a lot about the balance that needs to be maintained between academics and life. Access to education is achieved by not only being smart but by also having the resources needed to maintain schooling. Poor and rich people get different educations, but not everyone gets the same education. Your access to education is not the only thing that makes education, it is your approach to it. If you don't appreciate it- all the access in the world won't do anything. I am definitely lucky to have access to education and reflecting on the fact that I've gotten both experiential and academic learning, I feel blessed!

kganihanova's picture

The relationship between access and relationship

As I reflected this week about the relationship between access and education, I thought a lot about the balance that needs to be maintained between academics and life. Access to education is achieved by not only being smart but by also having the resources needed to maintain schooling. Poor and rich people get different educations, but not everyone gets the same education. Your access to education is not the only thing that makes education, it is your approach to it. If you don't appreciate it- all the access in the world won't do anything. I am definitely lucky to have access to education and reflecting on the fact that I've gotten both experiential and academic learning, I feel blessed!

kganihanova's picture

The relationship between access and relationship

As I reflected this week about the relationship between access and education, I thought a lot about the balance that needs to be maintained between academics and life. Access to education is achieved by not only being smart but by also having the resources needed to maintain schooling. Poor and rich people get different educations, but not everyone gets the same education. Your access to education is not the only thing that makes education, it is your approach to it. If you don't appreciate it- all the access in the world won't do anything. I am definitely lucky to have access to education and reflecting on the fact that I've gotten both experiential and academic learning, I feel blessed!

kganihanova's picture

The relationship between access and relationship

As I reflected this week about the relationship between access and education, I thought a lot about the balance that needs to be maintained between academics and life. Access to education is achieved by not only being smart but by also having the resources needed to maintain schooling. Poor and rich people get different educations, but not everyone gets the same education. Your access to education is not the only thing that makes education, it is your approach to it. If you don't appreciate it- all the access in the world won't do anything. I am definitely lucky to have access to education and reflecting on the fact that I've gotten both experiential and academic learning, I feel blessed!

kganihanova's picture

The relationship between access and relationship

As I reflected this week about the relationship between access and education, I thought a lot about the balance that needs to be maintained between academics and life. Access to education is achieved by not only being smart but by also having the resources needed to maintain schooling. Poor and rich people get different educations, but not everyone gets the same education. Your access to education is not the only thing that makes education, it is your approach to it. If you don't appreciate it- all the access in the world won't do anything. I am definitely lucky to have access to education and reflecting on the fact that I've gotten both experiential and academic learning, I feel blessed!

kganihanova's picture

The relationship between access and relationship

As I reflected this week about the relationship between access and education, I thought a lot about the balance that needs to be maintained between academics and life. Access to education is achieved by not only being smart but by also having the resources needed to maintain schooling. Poor and rich people get different educations, but not everyone gets the same education. Your access to education is not the only thing that makes education, it is your approach to it. If you don't appreciate it- all the access in the world won't do anything. I am definitely lucky to have access to education and reflecting on the fact that I've gotten both experiential and academic learning, I feel blessed!

kganihanova's picture

Violence and Education.

Violence is by no means going to stop through education but perhaps some will refrain from performing violent acts so that they can stay in school.  School is a right up the the age of 16 but after that, it is a privelege to stay in. Thus I believe that if one appreciates education the violent instinct can be controlled.

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Access to education, Edmunson and Shoris

After leaving class today, I thought about Edmunson's assertion that not only do his students treat their education like a consumer product, but that they also lack a certain sense of self-hatred needed to really grow as a student.  In our discussion this afternoon, we touched a little bit on what that meant, but I was left thinking about some of the factors that may lead to Edmunson's students feelng the need to be constrained, unexctied and always looking for the fastest track to the next thing.  One of the things I was struck with today was how much pressure is put on students to alays be doing just that.  What I mean by this is that many of the student who spoke today about their educational histories spoke about the kinds of pressures that have been placed on them for their entire lives.  It seems like there is a constant push to be the best, so you cen get to the next level, so you can be the best there, so you can move and continue to compete.  In this kind of system, you're not only the consumer, but you're also the product.  It seems to me that, for 12 years, students are taught how to best market themselves in 3 pages or less and how to look impressively well rounded by the numbers.  To then expect them to view college as anything more than another link in that ongoing chain seems a bit unfair.

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Educational Map

Hope the handwriting's not too illegible!

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Education map-2

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Education map-1