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Notes from Class 11/9/10

NOVEMBER 9, 2010 

Reading excerpts for the next few weeks, read online from Google Books (about 100 pages per class) except for Coles which we will read in its entirety

Online Reading: hyper reading / screen-based…NOT close reading, but distant! Hayles suggests that close reading is not the only kind of reading and there is a lot we can do with “machine reading.” Argues that machines can read!

Anne’s online paper comments are up! Read around and check out our linkings. Anne gives an overview of paper’s topics (many dictionary works, and very few documentaries covered)

Third 4 pg paper is due on Dec. 3 and final 12 pg paper due on Dec 17! Talk with Anne individually before final due on the 17th.

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Washington Times Review of Path to Paradise

 

I was curious to see what the reviews of Path to Paradise were like so I searched a little bit online to find some. Most of the reviews I found were very positive (because most of the ones I found were on sites trying to endorse sale of the book) but one I found particularly interesting was a Washington Times review:

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Appiah asks us to live together...

Appiah asks us to live together, to familiarize, to understand. We don't have to agree and we don't need to reach a consensus. We just need to appreciate the thoughts and motivations of another perspective.

Talking about "The Path to Paradise" make me think about a graphic narrative by Joe Sacco, a journalist/cartoonist who started illustrating his projects and pieces because he found journalist work less engaging.

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Notes 11/2

  

TyL: including outside information would have ruined the interior perspective, the stream of consciousness, the idea that Tarnation is access to Caoutte’s interior canon his frame of reference

Anne: weren’t we/ were we disturbed by the inability to know… did his grandparents?

veritatemdilexi: experience as conversation stopper,

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Shared and Subjective Truth in 'The Path to Paradise'

As is the basis of many faith and affinity groups, the purpose (or truth, if you will) of the gathering is shared among the participants. The shaheed Berko interviews share similar perspectives and must, in the end, all hold the same idea that it is glorious to die in the service of Allah by eradicating Jews. As Anne and I have been discussing in the comments on my second webpaper, the group-think aspect of shared truth presents a unique set of issues, not the least of which is how to authenticate or validate truths when the only checks/balances are one's compatriots. When we all believe the same thing, we are no longer checking the truth critically but instead accept the common status-quo ideas.

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Bully/ Bullied

In my education class, we were discussing bullies and the students they bully. One of the questions asked as a conversation starter, was whether bullies or the bullied deserved more attention in a school/ class setting. As in, who is the victim in the a bullying situation? and who deserves more attention?

As  I was reading Path to Paradise, I thought, "Could we all be victims? Victims of the environments that surround us and the pressures that are imposed on us to maintain certain standards?"

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Another Perspective on Terrorism

 It was really interesting to read Path to Paradise and get the perspective of the “bad guys” directly after reading the 9/11 graphic adaptation. While I fully support the idea to read these books back to back to compare/contrast them, I thought that Path to Paradise made the point that the cultures of the US and the middle east do not lend themselves well to comparison. The ideologies of the two counties are just too different. On page 54 when the author interviews Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin and asks him what the idea behind suicide bombing is, since the bomber is obviously dead after the attack, Yassin responds with the statement that the bomber is not dead, but alive with Allah.

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Class Notes 11/4/10

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The 9/11 Report: A Graphic Adaptation

 The 9/11 Report served as a tool of understanding for me. Prior to reading this adaptation, I had little knowledge of the people involved in the attacks. I now understand that there are many instances that led up to that day. This left me thinking about the times I have traveled and wondered why there are so many airplane restrictions. This also left me wary of our systems of security and how little was done to prevent the attacks despite the warnings that were given. With this understanding, I am happy that we will be reading Path to Paradise because this report demonized the terrorists and gave little background about why they were against America other than their religious differences. 

 

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The 9/11 Graphic Adaptation

 My overall impression of the 9/11 Report the Graphic Adaptation is that the graphic part of the report removed the sense of formality and seriousness of the issue. I felt that the graphic adaptation was simplified which made me want to read the commission report to get the whole picture.

I was not sure what to get from the color contrast and overall color change of the people. In other words, I was wondering about the choice of color in representing the story of 9/11 and if the color changes would affect the way a reader looks at the narrative.

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Page 78 of The 9/11 Report

 

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More Thoughts on the 9/11 Report

 Although we agreed in class that the graphic adaptation of the 9/11 Report is not comprehensive, I think that a large part of the writers’ purposes were to simplify the report enough that the average person could read and digest it. If this was the case, it was done well. I was able to better understand the events leading up to 9/11. I think that the images attached more meaning to the event than the Official Commission Report is able to. The anguished faces of the trapped survivors and the devastated stance of the fireman on the cover of the graphic edition both convey an emotional depth that the original commission report is not able to, both because of its medium, and because its sole purpose is to convey information.

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A Closer Look at Page 30 of The 9/11 Report

This page struck me for many reasons. The back and forth question and answer structure of the page really conveyed the power of the interview that was going on between Bin Ladin and the ABC person. It also appalled me that the US was given such a warning about the threat to civilian lives, which they subsequently ignored (i.e. Bin Ladin drove out the Soviets and he would do the same thing to the Americans.) In addition, the last picture on the page of just Bin Ladin’s eye was very dramatic. It reminded me of a close-up shot in a movie, a shot that a director would include in a scene to convey intensity. The backdrop of the page is a clock- maybe to convey how time before an attack is running out?  

 

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The Ends do not Justify the Means

 If the 9/11 Commission Report does nothing else it should teach its readers that in order to better combat ourselves against terrorism abroad and in the United States we as a people have to become better educated and informed about who the terrorist are, and in what ways we as a people encourage stereotypes that create environments that are ideal for terrorists to be formed.  I feel that the Official 9/11 Commission Report accomplishes this goal, and after having read selections of the report I felt that I had a better grasp of the backstory to 9/11 and an idea of what the United States could do going forward to prevent another catastrophe.

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10/25 Notes

Considerations for class discussion

-time management

-was the conversation about whether or not Arne Naess was a nazi effective/useful?

 

Ideas on Serendip Posts:

-topic in class that was left unfinished

-didn’t get to say in class

-evaluation of the reading

-something people can respond to

-Rant about something that you wouldn’t say in class

 

Topics Covered in Serendip Posts

Narratives, use-value, reality

-uncertainty in etymology

            -look for “senses” of words, not definitions

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Subjective, Objective, Slapdash

In our discussions of Tarnation and the Graphic Adaptation of 9/11, we mentioned subjectivity and objectivity, and how one form may be more or less objective than another...

I think we need to be careful when we talk about this. While I think there is a more emotional response when presented with visual images, and while we are going to be reading illustrations in a different way than written prose, I don't know that anything is really objective

Everything is edited. Everything is constructed. And we construct everything ourselves, with our interpretations-- and all of it is done with a purpose, realized or not. 

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Emotional reaction to the Commission report?

 The first chapter of the graphic representation of the 9/11 report struck me the hardest. Even though it wasn't constructed to elicit emotion (because it seemed to try to focus on the facts and not their emotional implications), I still found myself caught reliving the emotions of that day. I had a neighbor who worked in one of the twin towers; I was good friends (at the time) with his daughter, who is my age. I remember getting the news that he was lost, and I remember getting the news some days later that his torso had been found, wedding band still wrapped around his finger. Maybe the power of these first few pages is found in the fact that they are factual rather than anecdotal or personal or emotional.

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9/11 Report (Graphic Edition): Interpretation and Visual Creation

The original 9/11 report faulted inter-agency communication and personnel failures in US intelligence agencies such as the CIA, FBI, NSA. I remember reading numerous articles detailing the bureaucratic mishaps in Washington, but I never quite understood what was really meant by the highly technical and often redundant language used to describe government security functions. However, the graphic adaptation of the 9/11 report was able to crystallize and sharpen my muddled understanding of 'interagency miscommunications' by laying out scenarios, such as the panel on page 40 in which one of the agents agents says "I can't make heads or tails of this" and an FBI agent is shielding documents from the agent from the Justice Department.

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Looking at this report from an anthropological point of view...

...I can't help but think about the way in which this narrative, despite being of a very fact-based report and tragically factual day, is *still* a constructed piece of non-fiction. Unsurprisingly there is no definition or justification given around terms like, oh, say, terrorist. Obviously the understanding and slant of those who craft the 9/11 report is clear and there is no need for the report to be an unbiased look at what terrorism is because its irrelevant to 9/11's direct issues and impact. That being said, it was hard for me to NOT read this as an anthropology major and say--"to these men, they are fighting for freedom and liberation and justice. What is the line where terrorism ends and freedom fighting begins? " How do we know what REAL terrorism is?