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Why, I Say, White People Can't Dance (And, Yes, It has to Do with Race/Culture/Rhythm, Appreciation, & Respect)
Introduction
For me, saying white people can't dance has nothing to do with the typical answer that they don't have rhythm. I think the reason for it includes some parts of that, but also something more systemic or structural - race relations and learning cultural contexts.
Dancing is a language (in the way we think of, respond to and through language). Its movements are its words and its grammar is its rhythm. Don't get it twisted; rhythm and grammar are really one in the same. The dictionary defines rhythm as the procedural aspect of a beat or flow.[1] Procedural means the rules and regulations. There are rules and regulations for grammar (i.e. sentences have to have a subject and a verb: She cried.) Again dance is a language—means of expression. It probably is the most articulate form of body language. The analogy I am making here is that the body language we use when talking is also language, but it is what would be comparable to everyday speech. A dance move is comparable to a well-formed speech or lecture. Lastly, a dance performance is comparable to a paper, essay, poem, novel, book, etc.
By all of this, I mean to say that when I say white people can't dance or at least can't dance with black people, I mean that they have not only not picked up a certain set of rules and regulations associated with the body and the overall beat of (black) dance, but also—in many cases— have not picked up the overall flow—philosophy of (black) dance. (To go further understand what I mean by the flow—think of it like overall meaning or point or culture of dance. Refer to the diamond footnote on page 3 for more info.)
I think this phenomenon is linked, in part, to the Puritanical tradition and white culture's fundamental devaluing and mistrust of the knowledge gathered from and experienced through the body. This tradition comes into direct conflict with the African tradition and the traditions of the African Diaspora, where the knowledge from the body is not only valued just as much as the knowledge from the mind, but continually used, acknowledged, and sought after.
This fundamental difference of perspectives regarding the body has led to different philosophies and rules of engagement regarding dance and movement—in other words, black and white people talk differently and that leads to miscommunication, misunderstanding, and even disrespect.
I am aware that this essay grossly—indiscriminately—lumps all white people and all black people together without addressing the variations due to cultural perspectives, attitudes, or expressions. I understand that what I say about black and white people does not apply to all people or groups contained under that distinction. I know there are some white people, who may be black, culturally & phenotypically, as well as there are some blacks that may be white, culturally & phenotypically, as well as know there are innumerable categories that complicate and problematize what I say here. Because of the urgency of this essay and my limitations, I cannot do justice to all those stories. The hope is that everyone will step up to the plate and do justice to her story—for everyone's sake—because the world needs to know you are out there.
Dance in this essay is primarily referring to black American dance—black American culture and procedures (rules of engagement). While I talk about dance generally and my specific experience with dancing at a club, I mean to connect that conversation to American black and white race relations, generally, and my individual experiences (as a black American woman of Belizean and Southern American heritage) with white people, specifically.
This article gears towards showing a connection between the specific and the structural, the private and the political, the everyday and the yesterdays, the present and the History, stories and the metanarratives. It also gears towards giving everyone language in which to talk about dancing and race relations in America. It also gears towards airing out my frustration caused at the club that day—It is my healing (I had the hunch that it would be other people's healing as well). Once again, I apologize if this speaks too loudly for any one group or dance style.
This article is written for all people, but especially white people. By white, I am talking about white Americans and by black, I am referring black Americans. This essay intends not to forget about the white people who respect and value black culture and what it means as well as black people and what they mean.¨
It also does not intend to forget about the white people who not only respect and value all the things said in the paragraph above, but have learned to dance with, (not at), black people through acculturation (i.e. growing up with, not next to, black people), through learning about the history behind our vibration, and/or through somehow intrinsically picking up the rhythm. Thank you. You all, in the words of Jessie Jackson, keep hope alive. KEEP DOING THAT!
Now I want to let you all know why I am even writing this in the first place….
My friend Adaobi (black American woman of Nigerian heritage) texted me, last Thursday (5/10/07) saying that she is tired of doing physics and wanted to go dancing.
[Let's pause right here: the reason or shall I say need for dancing was for a release. So already it has another meaning than just simply dancing's sake or because she was bored (nothing is wrong with that by the way. I'm just making a distinction here). Adaobi wanted to dance for peace of mind. Okay, let's continue]
So, we go to Sister's, which is located in Philadelphia. Although Sister's is generally frequented by white people, Thursday nights were admission plus 8 drink tickets for $10. This coincidentally was the night that the most black people showed up.
We get up stairs to the dance floor area pumped and ready to move—release, heal, let go. Then I began to notice two groups that predominated this party: black people and white people. The dance floor's energy was not a united energy. It was choppy, disconcerted, and actually sort of hostile. Because of this, I watched and analyzed as I danced as well as got angry at the series of things that went on that night—most of that anger was felt towards and because of the white people at this party.
Now, knowing all of these interesting details, I hope I got you hooked on finishing this article. Below is a more detailed description of what happened last Thursday night. It is followed by a possible solution to this persistent problem of black and white people (not) dancing together.
Ethnography of Last Thursday Night at the Club
Description and Background
Walking up stairs to Sister's dance floor, I, cheesing and laughing, hear the booming music. The room was surrounded by mirrors on each wall, a bar was on the right and the DJ booth was diagonally from me. There were disco lights and mainly 70's disco, hip hop, and R&B playing. The sidelines were carpeted with a few stools against the mirrors. I noticed that black and white people predominated the party and actually, there were slightly more black people than white people. Black people were on the perimeter, on the carpet and near the mirror, and white people were in the middle of the dance floor.
Here, I see the weirdest thing I have ever seen at a club: The black people were dancing in the mirror. Now, I don't mean one of two, but about 15 black people in total were dancing in the mirror with themselves—completely disengaged from the dance floor and actually having a ball and cheering looking at themselves move. Behind their back was a dance floor filled with white people. It would be a stretch to say that the white people were dancing. I saw white people making out, falling on the floor, standing talking, and, I think, moving.
Now, like Adaobi and I said that night, I don't mind people having sex or falling on the dance floor, so long as they are doing it to the beat. Let me pause here and make another analogy to dance and language: Dancing to the beat means staying on topic in conversation. When people dance to a song, they are agreeing to engage with its beat—its topic. It is like going to a lecture about Spiderman. You expect everyone to be willing to talk about Spiderman if they entered the lecture hall. So that is what (black) people entering a dance hall expect. It gets annoying to talk to someone if you are focused on a topic and they are off-topic and tangential. It is even more annoying when the person doesn't refuse to stop talking. Replace talking with dancing, topic with beat, and off-topic with off-beat and read the previous sentence again.
The Abaobi and Me connection
Adaobi and I were doing exactly what we came to do. We were vibing. I had more of a hip hop expression while we were dancing (talking) and she had more of an African dance expression, but there would be many times when what we did looked eerily similar and even, we would begin doing the same movements together spontaneously.
We were smiling, jumping, stomping, waving our arms and heads, dipping, wining, and turning (on beat of course). We looked like we were celebrating something (or just really excited about what we were talking about or maybe just really excited to talk to one another). At times when I noticed that I did not look at her enough, (look engaged in conversation with her), I started to look at her and give her encouraging responses when she danced such as "Uh, oh” or "okay now.” (Think of shaking your head in affirmation when talking with someone). I did that to make sure she saw that I saw her and appreciated dancing with her. Sometimes, we would teach each other something. I would start doing a movement and she would do it with a question or hesitation in her step and then look at me for correction or confirmation, then I would do it again, then we would do it together. It took seconds for each of us to learn what each other was teaching because we had such a strong basis of communication before hand.
How Black People Responded to Us
Black people were responding to us as if they were wondering how did we find the energy to dance that way, in a space like this? Because our style was not typical even if it was also based in tradition, black people did not know how to enter our conversation. So instead, they looked at us and smiled. Some tried to do it too, I caught them in my periphery, but when I turned around, they automatically stopped, like they did not want me to see them attempting to learn our styles (language).
We could see black people smiling at us and pointing to other black people to come watch. Because our style was so different, they let us have our space to enjoy our language together, our culture together. They did not come and impose on the space, even though they liked what we did (how we sounded), because we were so into it. They wanted us to enjoy our time together. This was giving credence to the importance of giving people the space to enjoy their individuality.
Other black people created their own space regardless of what we were doing some where else while still giving us our space. We did the same to them. The powerful thing is that we all were moving and expressing ourselves to the same rhythm, the same beat—overall philosophy.
How White People Responded to Us
Adaobi and I did not want to dance in the mirror or the sidelines. We felt the dance floor was as much of our space as it was anyone else's. So we danced on the dance floor amidst the white people. The energy between us was clear. It was clear that we were in deep conversation with one another.
The white people completely seemed to disregard this. At the beginning, a couple of them came in our space range of dancing (our conversation). Bothered, Adaobi and I moved. I assumed, innocently, that they must have not noticed that we were deep in conversation. I also felt bothered because they were unaware that their presence limited us and forced us to find new space. However, I swear that white people kept doing this about 20 times that night. I thought the white people would see the pattern of my annoyance. But that was a hope in shallow well. That is when I noticed this behavior could not be a random act by the white people at this party. It must have been the result of their language, their culture, their misunderstanding and even their disregard of our language and culture. That is when I connected the event to the structural, the behavior to the culture, the symptom to the syndrome.
My awareness heightened and I began to pay attention to what was happening and what was being communicated at the club. Below is the list of all the things white people did that night that let me know that (1) white people and black people speak two different languages (when dancing) and (2) how white people and black people danced together (or next to each other) was representatives of how black people and white people interacted with (or to) one another.
The List of Things of Disrespectful Things White People Did to Adaobi and Me
Because the list is so long, feel free to skip around. Us refers to Adaobi and me. Enjoy, because I certainly did:
A) Say Excuse Me Cuz I Exist!
White people kept dancing or walking through us while we were dancing, without saying excuse me or acknowledging our presence. (The black people walked around us and even if they walked through us, they apologized for doing so and looked us in the eye).
B) I Will Not Tap Dance for You!
I stopped dancing because I got upset at what happened in A. I moved to the mirrors and the side lines staring blankly at the dance floor, the white dance floor. A white girl sitting at the bar tapped Adaobi and me and said that we are really great dancers and have amazing energy together.
I got excited because I felt that finally a white person gets it and acknowledges it. Then she followed up by saying, "Can you do it again. Go do it again. Go, go back on the dance floor.” She said this while simultaneously pushing us on our lower backs and still saying come on dance again. When we didn't move and looked at her like she was crazy, she went back down to sit with her black partner. I said to myself that I am not your puppet, I am not dancing for you. Then I realized once more, white people don't get it. She didn't even get that we left the dance floor because we were so offended by white people.
C) Just Cuz You Know the Words Does Not Mean You Know What I'm Saying or
If Ya Don't Know Wat's Cookin', Ge' Outta Da Kitchen!
We go back on the dance floor because we got so much energy from dancing with each other, we wanted to release one mo' ‘gain. That is when things heated up for me. The white people began to try to mimic our steps—our words. Then with excitement for learning this new word the white people tried to use it with one another. Fine, whatever, so long as they stay away from me with it because once the white people took it, it was no longer mine and I no longer wanted it. This is an example of what I mean:
Seeing this white girl take the step that I was doing, messing it up, and showing it to her friend like she invented it, is like a person taking an artifact because it was "cute” or "cool” that was originally used for blessing a child and putting it on a mantel to show all their friends. It no longer serves it original purpose, it no longer means the same thing in that new context. When a person, who views the artifact as sacred, sees its new use, they may feel gravely offended and even disown that artifact because it was now defiled.
D) I Don't Belong in a Museum or You Can't Box Me In!
A group of three white people started coming close to us, again, without being invited in the space—which happens through eye contact and acknowledgement. They start doing the only black dance movements (words) that they know—yes they knew the words but not the appropriate usage.
They literally started closing Adaobi into a box, which was interesting because it looked like Adaobi was dancing her black dance encased by white people and their stares. I already left that circle when they welcomed themselves in without waiting for our reply.
Adaobi finally broke out of that and found me on the sidelines, again, watching the dance floor. She taps me and says, "I know you were heated. I am really sorry.” We stared at the dance floor again, in disbelief.
E) Doing the Electric Slide: Black People Uniting to Takeover the Dance Floor
(But the White People Almost Foil Us Once More)
This was my favorite part of the night, well at least for a while.
Some of the black girls that were primarily dancing with themselves in the mirror started doing the electric slide—which is a really popular line dancing form for black people (we do it at every family reunion). Adaobi and I see that and we begin to join in, not from where we wanted to begin but from where the girls were currently. Very quickly, all the black people that were on the sidelines or in the mirror began to join. We quickly took over the entire dance floor.
Before this, you wouldn't have known that there were that many black people in the club. So, finally I am happy. Happy that black people stood up, as a unit and demanded that people, who couldn't get with the rhythm, back the fuck up (or people, who couldn't get with the lingo, shut up). Literally, if you didn't know it, you were likely to get pushed or stomped on by someone accidentally and even purposefully.
We finally got a chance to be as black and as loud as we wanted to be. It was very clear that we were saying something. We looked like a disco-army, sharing in one unified understanding or flow. Yes, we were all in one grammar but each of our sentences looked very different from one another. I was spinning my arms as I moved. Some one else was moving their shoulders a lot. Someone else would dip low and long. Some smoother cats would glide. Adaobi had a little African style to her electric slide.
Surprising almost all of the white people did not reenter the dance floor. Well at not least for a while. Then this white girl, who I remember was one of the white people trying to mimic me and Adaobi, tried to come in. Okay, fine, I could understand if she practiced before she came in or at least knew something about the step. Nope. She jumped right in stepping on people and getting in people's way. This is when the problem began.
There were three rows of the electric slide. This black girl was trying to form a fourth row, when the white girl jumped in. Because that white girl kept stepping and falling on her, she quit trying to make the fourth row and went back to standing on the side lines near the mirror. Finally, when the white girl realized that we were moving regardless of her and without the intention of trying to include her (no black person tried to show her what to do), she left the dance floor.
I asked my friend Kathy Huynh what would she have said to that girl. I said that the girl looked like she was appreciating what we were doing. Should I say that white people should not try join in with black people's conversations? How would anyone learn? Then Kathy brilliantly replied, "I would tell her, ‘Thank you for appreciating and wanting to genuinely learn what these black people are doing, but also give them the time and space to appreciate their own culture, for themselves.'” I will leave it at that, because I couldn't have phrased it better.
F) Grrrr!: Overt and Blatant Disrespect
As Adaobi and I are dancing, this white guy does not only bump into me, but stays there pressing the crevice of his back into my shoulder and arm. I was like, "He must not notice I am here.” So I pushed him off of me and said "Hey, watch it.” He looked at me surprised. I thought that meant that he was really didn't know that he was doing that and wanted to apologize, so I stood there waiting for a reply. He says nothing, humps my thigh three times, and pinches my butt. I screamed and said, "Get the fuck off me.” Then amongst me screaming and walking away from him, he runs up and humps Adaobi's butt three times and then runs back to his crowd of white people.
Farewell to Hell
When we left the club and got to the bus stop, I just started kicking and punching this poster on the bus stop of a large white man's face while also screaming. I turned to Adaobi, apologizing for my screaming, thinking she must think I am crazy. She replied with a saddened face, "No, Shayna, don't worry, I understand. Trust me, I understand.”
I kicked and punched to poster, because I felt helpless. I thought that there was nothing I could do to stop what happened at the club—what happens almost every time black and white people dance together—interact. The only thing I could come up with, is writing this article, hoping it would change some (white) person's perspective, hoping that white and black people could interact in a space without being offended by each other, and hoping it would help me heal from my hurt that night. Hoping—it seems like that is the only thing I ever do next to speaking up about my feelings. It hasn't changed much thus far. And to tell you the truth, I'm getting tired of hoping and discussing. I am tired of putting my self out there—(on the dance floor)
Maybe that is the same reason why all those other black people were on the sidelines and in the mirror. They were tired of trying to interact with white people who did not even have the slightest interest in knowing where they were coming from, what they are saying, or respecting and appreciating what they value. It speaks so much for our society today, yesterday, and, sadly and most likely, tomorrow.
(End of Ethnography)
Creating a Solution: Eliminating Racism
Through Learning to Dance
Here is my theory: White people should learn or at least try to learn how to dance black while simultaneously either valuing it as much as they value their dance or at least respecting it as much as they respect their dance. Remember now, I am using dance as a synonym for language and as a synonym for culture. Keep this in mind and it may be easier to replace dance with culture and vice versa in this passage.
The reason that it is critical for white people to learn the dance of black culture is so that white people can be not only aware of black people's perspective, be sensitive to it, and value it as good and valid, but so they can work to eliminate the privilege given to whiteness—meaning those characteristics and people in America that is termed as white. (Having privilege here means having special value. So white in America has special value at the expense of black)
That means dismantling the privilege given to knowledge that is predominantly mind-originated and working for a valuing of knowledge that is holistic meaning knowledge that incorporates the body as well as the mind. That means dismantling the privilege given to aspects of American society that have been structured and conditioned primarily and predominantly by white people—i.e. our school system (colleges and universities too), the standard in which we evaluate performance and intelligence, etc.
This work aids the process of eliminating racism which is having prejudice (ex. white is always better) and the power to enact it (ex. A white person stopping a black person from getting X job because that black person is not white, culturally or phenotypically). Racism is also believing in the inherent superiority of a particular race. The implication of believing in the inherent superiority of a particular race is that all those that do not fall into that category become less than or somehow deficient or down right bad.
Now, what that means is that white (culture or features) have become sacred in American society—hence the statement, "White is always right.” So, for some people, it may seem horrific or like a tragedy to speak of dismantling what they have held so very sacred. Let me specify here. I do not mean that white gets devalued when I say white privilege should be dismantled. No, on the contrary, white people should value their whiteness (whatever that means for people), just not at the expense of another. Shoot, I value my blackness (I know what that means for me. Email me about it if you want to know). I can't stand when white people say, "I hate being white” or "I hate white people” or "I only like black people." NOOOOOO! Don't eliminate privilege by self-hatred, white people. Eliminate privilege through either working to give everyone privilege (value) or conversely, giving no one privilege (value) over another.
One may ask why blacks don't just learn to dance with white people instead of white people learning to dance with blacks. Well, to whoever you are thinking this, what I have to say is that black people have been shucking and jiving with white people for years. It's time for whites to give up some privilege, for peace's sake.
For our survival, black people had to know the white person's rhythm (culture). Look at English Ebonics[2] and "standard" English. To write my papers in college, I had to use and learn the grammar of "standard" English when I usually speak in the English form of Ebonics. I would always tell my professors, why can't I just talk to you or debate with you rather than write a paper? Or why can't I write a poem or do a dance instead of writing an essay? This is not saying that writing is not important, for it is, but why can't I couple it with another form of expression or even another dialect of English? (I believe this has to do with valuing and devaluing. Or "following tradition""meaning following "white is right." People don't like to admit this to themselves.)
This is also represents a battle inside myself to stay sane because I have come to value certain aspects of white culture, but also know that those aspects are rooted in a disregard, disrespect, and a devaluing of black culture, something that I have internalized and made sacred inside myself. So often, this battle, at times, makes me want to throw away or destroy anything that is white inside myself or any symbols of whiteness around me or conversely, throw away or destroy anything that is black inside (outside) myself. Dubois talks about this in his reference to the "double consciousness" of black folks. He says
His [the Negro's] double-consciousness, this sense of always looking at one's self through the eyes of others, of measuring one's soul by the tape of a world that looks on in amused contempt and pity. One ever feels his two-ness,"an American, a Negro; two souls, two thoughts, two unreconciled strivings; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder.[3]
Since I can't escape white culture in this society, the only way to reconcile this terror inside of me is to help alter white culture to value black culture"to value me. That is what this article intends to do.
So now I am saying white people have to learn to dance with us, if they want to unlearn racism and reconcile its effects. I realize that I have gone as far as I can go with trying to dismantle racism. White people, it is your turn. It can only be finished if you let it be finished.
Furthermore, it is important for white people to know and value the dance of black people's culture (or of any person of color's culture) because white people in this country have been bred to be mono-cultural and bred to devalue other ways of being that are not like theirs. This has the consequence of further obscuring reality"or realities that are strongly felt and lived by others. So, in a sense my particular double consciousness is both a blessing and a curse. However, it does not have to be a curse. It is only a curse because one of the consciousnesses that I have come to value degrades and tries to eliminate the other consciousness that I have strongly internalized as my basic self. It is a blessing to have more than one way of looking at the world. For example, I learned in a neurobiology class that the nervous system has at least six ways to receive the same information: hearing, touch, taste, smell, sight, and proprioceptors. As my professor said, "It helps us get things less wrong as well as adds more depth to what we perceive."
In other words, our body purposely has multiple perspectives that come into conflict with one another in order to get the sharpest notion of what actually is going on. This is reason enough to unlearn racism. Racism prevents people from a depth and sharpness in their perception. Conflicting realties are not inherently bad. People make different ways of seeing bad. Our nervous system seeks different perspectives, knowing that difference can not only be helpful, but also good.
To relate this again to dancing: That is not telling every white person to go find a black person and ask them to teach you their culture. That is ridiculous. What I am saying to white people is, be aware that (black) dancing has a grammar"rules of engagement. Try to find out what they are in a respectful manner that has in mind that not every black person, all or any of the time, is interested in teaching white people their grammar. Keep in mind that there are some things that cannot be spoon-fed and require the arduous task of experience and learning by oneself. Also keep in mind, like my friend Kathy said, give black people the time, space, and respect to appreciate, enjoy, marvel in, get relieved by their own culture, by themselves.
Also, more importantly, keep in mind that black people learn your grammar by spending time with white people and in white and white-originated institutions. That is not saying that white people should flood black communities and black institutions (that has all sort of problems like gentrification, and violating the importance of respecting organizations and spaces for affinity groups).
What it is saying is that something will be lost if you just learned black culture through books, movies, television, music videos on BET and MTV, jazz C.D.'s, other forms of recorded black music, artifacts, and whatnot. Basing one's view of a people solely on any one of these can be problematic on so many levels, especially since the media grossly misrepresents or complete stereotypes of what they choose to portray of black culture.
What I am saying is to also GO TO THE PRIMARY SOURCE"black people. That first means putting a face to all that you love of black culture and loving that face as well"loving meaning valuing. This does not make everything accurate or peaceful, but like I once said, you would be skeptical of someone's ability to speak Spanish if they told you they never met a native-Spanish speaker, never been to a Spanish-speaking country, and solely learned Spanish and what they know about Spanish culture from reading a book.
All and All
If white people begin to work to actively dismantle the privilege given to whiteness and give value to blackness, if this occurs, one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers gettin' down wit their bad selves. If this occurs, I believe white people and black people can finally dance together, well at least figuratively.
That's my story and I am sticking to it. Peaceeeeeee. No, seriously, peace.
¨ I admit some people, even some black people, don't know or haven't thought of what black culture and black people mean in America literally. That is fine because I am willing to bet that those acculturated into black culture know what it means intuitively"in other words, they know it through its feeling or feeling in general. Recognizing what black people mean includes valuing them as human-beings"living, rational, irrational, and moral beings. But what I truly mean is valuing their contributions as a people to not only American society, but also American identity and culture.
Comments
The only way is through
The only way is through blood/love. Race-mixing the only thing that will bring peace to our nation. We will one day be "The American Race", and lead this world again.,
The Article Is Not Racist
It's not. It is at simply honest. Dancing and the body that does it, is not an innocent body. It's scarred, it's healing, it feels, it angers... What I mean is that the dancing body is a place where, physicality, politics, and spirituality. So you can't talk about dancing without talking about race. We would love to. But we can't.
Fundamentally the problem is that what we call "white" dancing is really a way of moving the body to parody what we call "black" dancing. Basically it's the reverse of the Carlton dance.
This parodying is obviously a problem. Because the parodying is the result of the inability to feel ownership over the dancing body and of the music. This is deeply rooted in a complicated mix of guilt and ignorance. This parodying is what actually creates the racial divide. Of course, you don't want to be parodied, it's insulting.
Also, we have to acknowledge that the dance floor is not uniformly a scared place for different people. For those found the club as place for communal learning and self expression within an oppressive regime, the dance floor is a sacred place. But for some it's not. Let's leave it at that.
But let me say that the reason why the author complained is because the "white" people were just parodying what a room full of blacks with music is supposed to be. Apparently, it is a place to be drunk, to pickup, and to dance. But the black club is not JUST that. The roots of black music is in the mixture of sex with spirituality.
I do think it's ridiculous to think that all dance floors have to be sacred. But let's just say that may be people should just stop parodying blacks, or at least what they think of as black. Because that's actually racist. It's black face. I mean that's pretty simple. When you do a terrible running man because you saw a Vanilla Ice video, that's really just making fun of someone. It's not dancing. That's acting. But if you loooove the running man and don't give a damn ... well that's dancing no matter how stupid it looks. That's fine. Funky is WRONG. It's something that isn't normal.
PEACE
And I'm not going to tell you my race :)
WTF
I would like to start off saying that I didn't read your entire article--I stopped at the part saying how to stop racism by telling white people to dance like black people--because I was offended by it. I really dislike the statment of white people being privilaged especially, because where I live--I don't know if it's the same in the USA. I live in Canada--every race is "privillaged". Not one has any advantage over another--except in examples like this where the minority can say an outright racist remark towards white people--. With that said I would like to say that maybe white people and black people dance differently. Not one is worse then the other. Maybe both white and black dancers need to respect the other because it is racist to say that only the white dancer can learn anything from a black dance. That message is uncalled for and, I feel, racist.
Your article is extremly bias, racist and based on the actions of a few drunk people. For all you know, maybe the black dancers doing the slide were just as annoying and rude as the white dancers who were going into the black dancers personal space. Maybe there was extreme miscommunication between everyone. Regardless I don't think it was acceptable for you to feel the need to hit and scream at the picture of a white guy just because one humped your leg. That was blatent racism and was uncalled for. There have been SOOOO many times black guys have done the same--or worse to me--and I don't scream or hit at pictures of black guys because I know drunk guys do stupid things and one person isn't a valid representation of an entire race.
complete the piece before assessing it
There is nothing racist about this piece. In short it is simply stating that white people should learn to appreciate black culture as we did theirs. Yes, we are better dancers at urban music because of our roots and exposure to it. We are fluent in the language/conditioned to the rhythm, backbeat etc. , and the majority of white people like the music but can't comprehend the music/language due to lack of exposure to it. This results in ignorance, and incidental offensive gestures. All the author is saying is before thrusting one's self into a different environment(white person at a club full of blacks), one should understand that they don't understand, and not erroticly attempt to emulate what they see as this serves only to offend the people in which this is embedded within their body and soul. There are aspects of black culture that many whites fail to grasp, and all the author is saying is if you are one of the individuals who fail to grasp it, don't make a cavalier effort to take part, just as blacks don't do this to you. Substitute dancing with playing the electric guitar. If 2 white people are vibing and tearing it up(having a conversation), most black people won't jump into it without ample time to acclimate themselves to the art, with an understanding that they would spoil the experience; few blacks would disrupt it, most would respect the art/conversation because of the knowledge that "we don't know everything, and they can do things we can't ". Many whites don't do the same and offend the blacks in the "conversation" without knowing it, due to lack of respect and value of black culture. Some respect black culture but fail to conceptualize the afforementioned quote("we don't know everything, and they understand things we can't ") , proceeding to take part in, and spoil the experience/conversation, and some simply don't care due to a society-shaped mindset of "white is right/the only way", but whatever the reasoning, whites unknowingly disrespect blacks and mistake the hostile response for racial descrimination when in actuality its frustration with an arrogant people.
one thing to always remember
one thing to always remember is that we are not split into different races according to skin color or facial features we are all the same "human beings" if you took a caucasian and stuck him and all his kin for the next 100 years in the sun he would be as black as our negro brothers if you took an african american and took that sun away from him and his kin for the next 100 years then he would be as white as the caucasians just remember everyone looks the same in the dark and thats because everyone is the same there are not different races that make up humanity but 1 race and that is humanity itself
perfectly said.
Perfectly said. :)
yeah i totally agree with
yeah i totally agree with you. even though i am white i have danced for like my whole life in hip hop and even though i hang out with no black people when it comes to dance i can be just like them. i hate how ALOT of fake hip hop dancers say oh yeah i can dance when foreal they are doing it to look cool. hip hop is more than just bieng cool. but yeah i do hate how (alot of white people do this) people who never even once thought of hip hop just start tryign to do it to look cool. i mean foreal like so many people i know do that btu foreal it makes me look like i cant dance when ive been on 2 dance teams and have been told one of the best white dancers they have seen. i mean foreal though i love hip hop dancing and no one should try to fake what is real to our souls. dancing is our soul but when people try and take your ideas to look cool and think they are doign so good when they look stupid. i just wish that people who fake acting like they love hip hop would stop cause there really are white people who love to dance but becuase of immitators it makes us look like we cant dance even when no oneknows if you can untilkl you bust moves.
im white and i know black language and your words are very true
oh my gosh i know exactly how you feel. i am whitwe too and foreal i dont feel like i am white
. i have thousdand of white friends but ive been doing hip hop for more than 6 years. it is a language and you must learn who blacks are as well as how they dance. it is an art expressed through the body. which is why its called body language
. and yes everyoen says white people cant dance but i mean they can BUT you must learn black peoples language. i have so many black friends and whites but when it comes to dancing im always with the blacks. thats how it will always be and even though peopel say white people cant dance i prove it can be done. this article you wrote was awesome and foreal even though im white i hate whites not becuase they cant dance but becuase they always act stupid and foreal they try and so things right off the bat but you cant do that not if you wanna be good at it. so i know how you feel and i hope one day i can see you guys dance you seem to sound really good. but yeah i love to show thta whites can dance BUT with the exception of how to. thanks for writing this i feel like i am now more closer to black heritage and how they became what they are today and i hope to continue dancing. eberyeon says i dance better than most blacks and alot of whites hate me for dancing but i love bblack peoplke so i aint gonna listen to any of the stereotypical comments they have to sa. i know i write alot but i am writing this much becuase i hope i can make dance a profession so yeah thanks for writing this you are the best dude
good stuff
Yea. I agree with most of the things you were saying, but the key is to rid society of the barrier between the two. You shouldn't have to hate whites to love hip hop, or vice versa. But you should respect both, and accept/respect that we are equal, but different. There are things whites can do that blacks don't do, and things that blacks can do that whites don't, but the key lies in respecting what you are not familiar with, to prevent incidentally offending someone of different foundations.
I think white people stand
I think white people stand out more, due to their color against a background. Each flaw is noticed. Whereas a black person seems to blend with his background and create a more pleasant viewing experience.
Source: I watched Ice Ice Baby, so I am an expert.
:) lol nice source
No. It isn't anything to do with skin tone, for if that were the case, in a room with a white background(which has been exhibited in many RnB, hip hop, n pop videos) the opposite would be the same. Whites would look masterful in their rhythmic motions in correlation to the backbeat and life of the music... but this isn't true. It's as simple as white people aren't raised with it and don't grasp it in its totality. The music also dates very far back into our culture, which can't be said about whites. Whites are equally able, but aren't conditioned to dance that way until much later, while blacks are instilled with the rhythm from birth, therefore you see futile efforts to achieve what blacks achieve in a lifetime, in 20 minutes. And usually it results unknowingly in an offensive message portrayed to the people of which it is a part of. I'm black but am engaged to a white girl, just in case you're wonderin. Not racist, simply objectively honest.
A few quick comments: 1.
A few quick comments:
1. Sounds like a tough night at this club (I'm being serious); sounds like there might have been a fair amount of miscommunication and (possible) misunderstanding.
2. I am surprised that someone who is a complete stranger would decide to not only touch people but try to propel them onto the floor. That strikes me as invasive of personal space and privacy - at least in this context.
3. I am sorry to see that things in our country re. race and culture continue to be so polarized. I'm middle-aged and while it does seem that, on some levels, there have been a lot of changes, on other levels, we're still stuck. (or so it seems.)
4. One thing I have noticed in my short time of involvement with African drum and dance (I'm a drummer) is that many of the younger dancers in the scene here feel that "their" dance is something everyone can participate in... I am a white woman and have been invited to take classes and to join in dancing by black women (by more than one, in fact). The generosity and goodwill demonstrated by these women - who are completely sincere in their invitations - just floors me. And you know... they give me hope for lasting change in our country, in all kinds of interactions and dialogues (both danced and spoken).
5. As someone who grew up surrounded by many kinds of black music - and who is passionately in love with West African percussion music - I would like to ask the OP if: it might be possible for me to learn from you, and from your friends? Because I think your forms of dance are valuable and beautiful, and I would love to be able to join in the conversation, however awkwardly (at first).
If someone came up to you and asked you to teach them, told you that they respect you for who you are and think your culture and cultural expressions are beautiful, how would you feel? Would you be willing to accept them and help them learn?
some people (of all colors) are feel uncomfortable being able to express themselves in words... could it be that some of the people you've encountered along the way (white) were actually trying to tell you - however awkwardly, even ineptly - that they admire you and your various forms of dance? that they think it's beautiful? And that you and your friends are a joy to watch when you're dancing?
Maybe.
6. It sounds like a lot of the action on the floor was *not* pleasant. In fact, this doesn't sound like a club where I'd want to go. (I'm getting a picture of rivalries, perhaps not so much about race as about turf? Not sure; I wasn't there, so i can only make 4th-hand guesses at best.)
Finally... while we may disagree on a lot of things, I want to thank you for posting about your experiences at this club and your take on the whole evening. Because getting the conversation going is one of the most important things we can do. Please keep on!
And... I hope to be able to see you - maybe even meet and greet you - on the floor, someday. :)
cheers,
e.
agreed
Agreed. That's all there is to be said
ma
I know that a lot of white people definitely cant dance, but i'm an exception. no, i'm not delusional. but i can dance just like a black girl.. and i am a WHITE GIRL.
so white people can't dance?
this little girl proves your ignorant assumption WRONG!
get it!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKx3UU7hwr0&feature=related
um no
Im white as can be ok?? and i love to dance. Ive one danceing trophies for years. i can pop it lock it and drop it and bring it up all the way to the damn fucking sky. So if your going to say shit like tht. WHITE PEOPLE DONT DANCE BECAUSE THEY CANT NOOO! THEY DONT CUZ THERE SCARED TO SHOW OFF THERE MOVES. ok so take it from a white girl who can dance. Bodyroll and out.
love,
thebest.
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I get your point actually (i am white, european), but your saying that white people are not "loosing themselves" to the music. This is because most of whites in the States are with english-german heritage and their culture has always been based controlling yourself and not letting loose. Well black people dont have that complex. So i say that if a white kid is brought up by black people and the child has no influences from whites, he may become a person who will dance :D
agreed
(I'm black). Yes, granted our culture is deeply rooted in music and serves as the foundation of what is played today, but genetically we are the same, therefore I'm lead to believe it is underexposure(and possibly intoxication) that hendered those whites, along with the majority of the white population from dancing as well as blacks.
i think your analogy of dance
i think your analogy of dance to language is great. I couldn't agree more. That said, all dances from all cultures have history meaning and roots in that culture. If you try to dance the style of the at culture without understanding the roots and meaning , or language as you put it, you're going to look terrible and possibly offend people who do understand, regardless of your skin color.
It is very possible though, to learn the "language" of another culture's dance. Look at the funk style scene world wide. Those dances are firmly rooted in the tradition and culture of the black community in the united states. And yet, the best, most soulful dancers out there come from every race, not just the one most commonly associated with that culture.
The problem you are running into at a club is the same one I do. If I go to a club and start locking, people will imitate me, they have no understanding of the language, and os it is rather irritating. Especially when they pretend to understand. This behavior isn't limited to white people though. Stereotypically you may see it from white people more often because they come from a different cultural background, their race or skin color has nothing to do with it.
and on the subject of racism in general. You talk about how whiteness is valued above everything else in America. While I'm sure you've seen a lot to support that stance, and I am also certain that in some cases its true, I ask you to consider that it goes both ways in the name of diversity. You mention black people being denied jobs because they aren't white. I have seen that happen, but I have also seen white people denied jobs in favor "racially diverse" candidates. Racism is basing opinions or decisions off of race, no matter which way it goes.
So, in conclusion. Dance is certainly a language, it must be learned and understood as such to be done properly. It is a part of all cultures, and all should be respected. No matter what your race,though, if you are willing to understand, you can learn to speak the language correctly, and likely find a common connection with people a culture very different form yours.
Look at all the non-blacks getting worked up!
I'm sorry, but regardless of whether or not people like it, I think the stereotype is true.
In school, the people I knew who danced PHENOMENALLY were black, or mixed black. Not white, not Asian, but black.
I'm half-white, half-Asian and I can't dance for shit. I remember being told that I danced like a "whitey" by my white boyfriend aha!
Why bicker about this? Everyone is entitled to equal and fair treatment, but equality only runs so deep. THERE ARE certain things that some races do better than others, just like there are certain things men are good at that women aren't, or certain things that animals can do and we can't. What's the big deal?
No need to get so up-tight. People will choose to believe what they want.
This topic is dumb.
Im a black 19 year old girl and I think this article is very racist. it started out to be nice in the first paragraph but after she kept saying white people for the 80 hundredth time I got the feeling she doesn't like white people too much. Anyone can dance good really, it depends on the individual.
Dance as communication
You begin your essay by explaining that dance is communication. As 1/2 of an interracial marriage I'd have to say that communication is the thing needed the most between white and black people in race relations today. That night in the club, the moment that white people tried to take down the barriers and communicate with you (using your language... even if it was poorly), you became offended.
Yes, I agree with you that the divided nature of that club was unfortunate, but I also believe that your actions contributed to that segregation.
there was more to it
The author later went on to elaborate and suggest someone of different cultural background should invest themselves into black culture before offending individuals by disrupting a great "conversation". Its nothing wrong with them wanting to be part, but don't thrust yourself into a situation in which you have no experience. Start at the root. Learn it, respect it(black culture/the "language" associated with it), for if they do these two key things, people would restrain from taking participation in something they don't fully grasp.
P.S.- I'm the black half of my interracial relationship(black n white)... always ressuring to find more couples like us =) .
Thank you for explaining
Thank you for explaining that! I had no idea that dance was a language. I will never look at it the same again. Honestly thank you.
Ignorance
this girl is completely ignorant cause i am black and she is the reason that all racism things continue today. You say that this man humped you and pinched your butt and is that something that only white people do or something? why would you get mad white people in general for that. You should be mad at the guy, but there are some black people that do the same thing to women. So i think you are just a subconcious racist and havent realized it yet and need to cause this whole post was stupid
This article is the greatest
This article is the greatest exponent of stupidity I have ever read, it stink of racial superiority and falls right into the liberal, self deprecating, white middle class, lefty , Trotsky, laps, like all good rubbish should. Not too dissimilar to movies, White men cant jump or Stupid White Girls. What you seem to forget is the white man give you tap dance, yes, that's right, created in the Caribbean with the white Irish. And speaking of the Irish, aren't they white, their dancing has been celebrated and renowned all across the globe for its splendor and superiority. I suppose this has nothing to do with rhythm or grove traits you seem to think are confined to Black people. There are not many Black ballet dancers or salsa dancer, and by the way, Disco was invented by those white folk in that big bad white land commonly referred to as Europe.
WRONG
This has nothing to do with leftist or liberal. HAHA
Also, Disco was invented by black Americans.
There are a lot of black salsa dancers. Just not so much in America. Ballet is mostly choreography. Blacks like to dance free.
agreed...
That last post had no concept of what the true message was of the peice, then randomly spurred off into spitting out inaccurate info... ugh, I hate idiots.
Dancing is quite a large subject to cast color on
I've danced in clubs and in social arenas for a long time. Being white there's always the cast of 'you can't dance' and other nonsense. To another perspective though, many whites are taught to make fun of dancing so it is a social trend that is no harder to break than simple education. There is no color I'm aware of that allows for better dance abilities, and by simply thinking forward out of the box someone can easily escape all of this nonsense.
Wow, the racism in this
Wow, the racism in this article is so blatantly obvious that even with your ideas of dance expression etc, you lose all credibility. To the person who said Shayna should be an anthropologist, that is completely absurd. Anthropology with specific regard to cultural study involves the concept that all cultures are unique and acquire differences that should be respected, rather than persecuted. Shayna's ethnocentric values and arrogant perspective is nothing short of racism and is definitely a far cry from having anthropological understanding. The only culture she claims to understand is her own, and saying that everyone else should just conform to that specific culture so as to create "harmony" is no different than Hitler saying conformity to the system of Eugenics and creation of the perfect race, is the only way to achieve aforementioned concept. Peace is obtained through acceptance of everybody's differences, whether they be traditional, religious or even opinionated thoughts; not through conforming to one specific culture. And people like you are the reason peace in this world will never come to exist.
The Real Truth Of It All
What the hell is the point in all of this. Why is it that every damn thing ends up being about race or ethnicity. Dance is about expression period and is left to interpretation. Just like music dance can be used to drive a wedge between people or bring them together. I am white but grew up in a mostly minority Asian population. A lot of people say Asians can't dance but that most certainly is not true. I can find just as many blacks that can't dance either but that doesn't mean they are more white or have lost their blackness so to speak. Asians even have it worse as they don't fit into either group. So if an Asian has both black and white influences then what does that make them? To say whites can't dance is just as ridicules as saying whites can't play Basketball. So is a Ballerina not a dancer? Is modern dance or contemporary dance not dance either. Kinda like saying Golf isn't a sport. It really comes down to people just don't want to interact with others which are indifferent from themselves.
It is just easier to stay within the confines of your own race. Kinda like politics as one side will always oppose the other even if it is in everyone's best interests. If you cross party lines you are looked as being a traitor and conspiring with the enemy. One side is diametrically opposed to the other so to speak. It is all stupid ideology and the same applies to dance. Dance is different to different people but doesn't make it any less dance. If my Hiphop-ness is not black enough then so be it. Who said anyone has a copyright in how it should be done. If blacks dance modern dance and it isn't' white enough what gives them that right as it is their own interpretation. Maybe it would be better off that we don't dance or communicate at all. At least then no one could complain about the other. If we were never meant to communicate with each other then the world was just a failed experiment from the start. Why in god's creation create a world with so many different ethnicity's, cultures and customs if we can't at least try to communicate as it would be pointless. So my dancing isn't black, Asian, Hispanic or white enough etc. Who the hell cares as long as long as it comes from the soul then it really shouldn't matter.
Hammer Phor to Meta
I just felt like I got hit by a metaphorical sledge hammer. Cor, this essay seems merely a reaction to an incident that has been pathologically extended with assumptions and the writer’s logic. I hope sincerely it is not an proverbial beating stick to justify the requirements of respect and knowledge. I would very much easily be switch around on the writer to say they are not aware of social graces and etiquette. Or just enjoy provocation and being thin skinned.
Situation, how did the writer fall into the spirit and maintain the ability make such as detailed observation, I am perplexed.
Why can’t we go onto the next stage of human development where grace meets etiquette and drop the barbarian why of dealing with a matter that could have been handled with the words. Excuse me, we are dancing here or please do not disturb.
I enjoy discourse that is factual discourse.
This is not a ‘black people’ and ‘white people’ is sure for sure it seems more like a generation issue relating to basic education. Let us see not to get it twisted where we belong to ‘one world people’ and we could aim to be ‘one people’. This might be an ideal, but what else is there, a sycophantic-tilt to bias for favour?
EBP
ps. I'm Humbless.
Get Over It
We all need to come to terms that we live in America and realize the year we live in. America is now the melting pot of the world. We have cultures from all over the world here. You can't just tell people "You don't understand MY culture" and get angry at them. How will they ever understand your culture that way? Those who just want to argue that no one understands their "culture", and have no business trying to experience it, (because this IS America, and we have every right) should take their traditions and return to Europe, Africa, Asia, where ever.....and leave those who are willing to understand and experience each other traditions, pasts, and cultures here in America. We are all invaders here. None of us belong here. But since we are here now, let's make the best of it and stop arguing about the past and our differences! Here's a new tradition we should all adopt to pass on to new generations. It's called "acceptance of others". I am German and my best friend is Jewish. We don't sit around still blaming each other over the halocaust!!! GET OVER IT!
Haha wow you've got some
Haha wow you've got some stones saying "white people" don't have rhythm when we have hundreds of years worth of music that MORE than proves it. For one listen to some Led Zeppelin....and 2 i think people like you just need to grow up and stop judging people on colour. its exactly that kind of attitude thats just gonna keep this whole racial hate thing continuing to rule us all. Im White and im damn proud of it just as proud as you are to be what you are. Yes i understand theirs some strange things we do...but theirs strange things you do... And every race discriminates against whites as much as we do you anyway but the thing that makes me angry is have you noticed that by the laws and courts their is no such thing as discrimination against the "White Man". Do you see the problem with this? .. Anyway our history is just as impressive and worth while as anyone elses. Anyway i hope you can learn to love people for who they are one day bro.
This is one of the best
This is one of the best message threads I've read in a long time. There is a lot that I agree and disagree with in the OP and subsequent posters comments. As an American who is traveling overseas (and hitting the clubs every night) I find all the different dance styles/expressions/languages, refreshing. Thank you for the food for thought...and the dose of good ol' fashion American discourse. LOL
You sure have a messed up
You sure have a messed up idea of what racism is.
Interesting, to say the least...and not in a good way.
Racism
This entire article is racist. Pure and simple. No one is qualified to say that an entire race of people is unable to dance. Who the hell are you? Did you invent dance? Dancing is a cultural oddity. It varies in style, music, even in the reason for dancing. Dancing can be ritualistic, it can be just for personal enjoyment, it can be used to woo or seduce; even military drill is a form of structured dance, with its rhythm and cadence and synchronicity. Such a statement, that white people cannot dance, shows ignorance. Many of our parents think that our dances today are garbage, compared to those of their time. You are making a biased and subjective statement, but attempting to cover it with an objective justification, which is a facade. You should know better than that. I'm ashamed and slightly amused at your lack of intelligence. As a 21 year old black male who was born in the most racist state in the union, I know racism when I see it, regardless to which color it comes from.
Not True!!
I know that black people can't dance better then white people and white people can't dance better then black people. My best friend is black and she can't make her ass vibrate as good as i can and i'm white. though, most people think i'm latino.
He addressed this comment in
He addressed this comment in his essay when he said that he recognizes that there are some white people "raised" black and vice versa. Don't get defensive without reading the article. Plus butt vibrations do not count as dancing.
I can’t find anything in
I can’t find anything in this article that I disagree with. The more and more I study subjects such as sociology or anthropology, the more frustrated I become at dominant society’s marginalization of anything they decide not to approve of. And look at what it does to us—to certain subcultures as standalones, and to us who are a part of dominant society, when interacting with those shunned cultures. Obviously, it’s not just black and white, it’s Native American, Asian, Latino, even white subcultures.
I feel bad for the girl who wrote this article, when some of us readers have called her racist or not “really” black or whatever it is that was said. She is stating an observation mainly drawn from one night, not just as one event but, to me, as a metaphor for separating cultures by color. I do believe race is a social construct—I mean, even Italian people used to be considered black, before society decided they were white, and Asians used to be considered white. For those who think saying race is a social construct is saying that it doesn’t matter, are saying that society doesn’t matter. Which it does. Color is not a social construct to me.
One person who reacted to this article said that she wanted to feel at peace with other cultures. I simply want to feel other cultures—they fascinate me, they inspire me, they make me want to learn more and more about people as individuals. Another person said that their friends and them tried interacting with black people at a club, only to be shunned. This doesn’t surprise me—with the way things have been for so many years, clearly there’s going to be racism and anger and whatnot on both sides. It can be very intimidating for anyone, basically, to try and take a chance.
The author says that she, as a black woman, had to learn to play the game in order to be accepted in dominant society, which is basically run by white people. Which means, learning to talk, hold herself, and so on, in a different way in order to be accepted. I believe that I, as a white, middle-class woman who is automatically accepted by mainstream culture, have a responsibility to learn the dance of black culture. It is just something that has to be done—I owe it to my generation, who had nothing to do with the way things are right now. But, if we let things keep going the way they are, then we are responsible for our children dealing with the same problem. I don’t want to hear about things like this from my kids twenty years from now. It is our responsibility. Yeah, there’s always going to be discrimination. Let’s just work on alleviating the severity of it.
I doubt the author, two years later, will be reading this, but thanks for this article.
great
I'm a black male and absolutely agree. There are few people that can objectively read and comprehend this article as it lends so many avenues to fall off track and take a negative viewpoint on it. People come away from this article saying "WHITE PPL CAN DANCE" and "SHE'S RACIST" when she never doubts whites of having a capability to dance, she more-so questions the willinglness of them to learn and be humble to the fact that "different cultures present different things I may not understand, and I respect that" as blacks have been forced by society to. I personally as a black american am not even looking for so much as a determination to learn the dance, or our culture. All I need to make me feel content is for people of other races to accept and respect that there are things to learn of our culture, and we do have things to offer, contrary to society portraying us as savage drug dealing animals. Thanks for the post, god bless.
P.S.- my girlfriend of 2 yrs is white. :). I'm colorblind
And thanks for the comment ...
Indiscriminate? Discriminatory is more like it...
Wow, I had to stop reading this because of the extreme amount of racism, hatred, and bigotry this junk article spewed. I can't believe my tax money is paying for this kind of hate material! Honey, you need to learn about white people and their culture just as much as you think white people need to learn about yours. You took black people at the dance club copying you and pointing at you as positive, but then called white people racist for doing the exact same thing. When white people moved close to you and tried to copy you, it was the greatest compliment in the white culture, but instead of recognizing that, you chose to take it in the most hateful, spiteful way--which means you are the racist, not those white people at the dance. Why are you and those like you so insecure? What is your problem that you have to see every single thing a white person does, from moving their hair out of their eyes to respectfully meeting you in the eye to let you know you have their full attention as a total insult? And for your info, honey, we whites did have our body language until we've almost lost our culture altogether trying to make people like you happy when you will never be with anyone else but your own. Sorry, I won't feel bad for being white and I take articles like yours as complete rubbish written by a bigot. I'm proud of the extremely sensual language of my culture's ballroom dancing and the intricate stories told in ballet. I'll flip my hair out of my face anytime I please regardless of who might be around. I'll speak and think with my brain because I have one and it controls my body rather than the other way around. I will listen to anyone who chooses to share their culture with me as long as they respectfully listen to mine in return so that we may come to a common understanding and common ground. But I will not change my culture to yours just to make you happy any more than you think you shouldn't have to change yours.
24 year old white female who CANNOT dance
i was amazed at reading this article. you are much more observant than many people. it is definitely an issue of culture. i think many black people are born/grow up surrounding others who are very body-aware and rhythmic. I know that at after 24 years of life, I have never seen either of my parents dance, or really even tap their foot along to a beat. I feel that dance IS like a language, and the younger you are when you learn it, the greater the hold you have on it, and the easier it is for you to adapt your dance to other people's dance style. And so like you were saying, it is a barrier, and miscommunication does arise, but in the defense of many white people, it's not from lack of NOT WANTING to understand each other, it's from genuinely not having the skills to know how to do so. which can take years to develop. and if you're not even aware of this concept, then you probably feel lost and don't even know where to start...
agreed
Very interesting perspective... I love this post, I've been on here replying for the past hour as I'm bored out of my mind working 10pm-6am
Just to put a face with a statement, I'm a black male. N I'm engaged to a white girl :) I'm colorblind n always have been, simply objective. N ur reply put it best.
Silly Debate
I think this whole debate on racism is quite pointless. We're all equal, simple as that. Let's not isolate ourselves.
Steve
First of all...
First of all I’m a black male and when you mentioned punching the white person in the picture I was like- “something is wrong here”. Can a small incident (what took place in the club) like that cause you to despise an entire race? I believe that highlights personal deep-rooted negative barriers that you have set up between blacks and whites that truly do not exist. I really think you need to take the time, focus, and change that perspective fast. I believe your negative view of white people, expressed in your writing, truly took away from the effectiveness of your paper. It turned something that could have had some scientific value into something negative, bias, and very opinionated. As you mentioned the difference in dancing between blacks and whites is cultural- I agree with this. Within the black community dancing is very important where as in white culture it is not. Dancing for black people is in the same league as getting a girlfriend/boyfriend, being popular or being in the “it” crowd, it defines the meaning of cool. This does not exist in the white community. Black children generally grow up encouraged or pressured to dance well by their family or friends, and not knowing how to dance can cause you to be the laughing stalk of the town. When black people do not know how to dance, they well not dance whatsoever in fear of humiliation. Yet white people are more likely to dance even if they do not know how to do so. If black people do not know a certain dance at an event they will not participate but they will go home and practice until they have learned that particular dance. In white culture dancing is not held as high on the importance grading scale, in some instances dances good is looked upon as uncool. However, as mentioned earlier, this difference has to do with cultures. My proposed solution is knowledge. Knowledge is needed in order for white people to understand that dancing is more important to blacks and for blacks people to understand that dancing is less important to whites. So in conclusion, one solution to this problem is for black people to lower their dancing standards a little and for white people to raise theirs in order to find a common ground. This would result in a new unified culture.
Judging by the way you write
Judging by the way you write I can tell that you're a smart guy, well smart enough to post a well written theory with a seemingly logic chain of events that would suit your initial NEED to say something.Now I could spend my time guessing why it is that you have that NEED( yes NEED in capital letters,because let's face it no one would write such a long post,gather that much information to try to back up a claim that attacks an entire race just for sport)but for obvious reasons you would never admit to anything I'd say even if you knew I was right.It is the content of your little theory that I am going to adress, but because I have a life and also because not much more is need I will speak in very general terms.There are 2 billion white people alive, this number is rounded down.The simple idea of you talking about white people as a whole is a testament to your innocence,are you telling me that the difference between people is merely their colour and nothing else?Like the fact that your skin is black induces certain behaviours?I'm thinking you're not since I see you talking about culture(which this time DOES influence) and how determining it is, can you see the gigantic flaw in your theory? You're considering a white people culture!There is no such thing, I have been in Africa and I can tell you that I have seen a much greater proximity between my culture and Angolans than with German people for which I see little.Do you realise that I would be normal for me to have a greater share of culture and hence proximity with you than would have with a Senegalese?And I'm guessing your black just like your guessing I'm white and we're both right.While I'm writting this people are being slaughtered in the Republic of Congo for being from a different minority, these guys live in the same country in neighbouring villages.There are 53 countries in Africa, they don't bond so well.Brazil is one of the mostly diversified countries in terms of population(mix of Portuguese,native americans,black slaves,dutch..)and yet it never split and formed smaller countries like the spanish countries in latin america did.I hope you read this.Tell me what you think.
Ask who cares about dancing?
Ask who cares about dancing? Not everyone does, so including them as straw people to bolster some contrived argument is disingenuous.
How about looking at a Gresham's Law of culture, where bad (noisy, intrusive, etc) drives out good in times where many don't want to get sucked into a vacuum of sorts and avoid public appearances - see Disco in the recession aftermath of the mid-70s as an example.
How are your actions not
How are your actions not racist? How is it that If I tried the same thing in a predominatly black club, it would not just be dirty looks I would Get? The real problem with racism is YOU! Will you respond to this or be a typical liberal and not even post it?