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Abortion and Women's Rights: Unification of Pro-Life and Pro-Choice through Feminism
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Abortion and Women's Rights: Unification of Pro-Life and Pro-Choice through Feminism
Claire Pomeroy
January 22, 1973 is a day that, in the eyes of many modern feminists, marked a giant step forward for women's rights. On this date the U.S. Supreme court announced its decision in Roe v. Wade, a verdict that set the precedent for all abortion cases that followed. For the first time, the court recognized that the constitutional right to privacy "is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy" (Roe v. Wade, 1973). It gave women agency in their reproductive choices; no longer were they forced to succumb to second rate citizenship as a housewife, a single mother, or a mother in poverty on account of pregnancy.
Was this decision really a step forward for women, or was it a step backwards? The abortion debate has polarized women, pitting them against each other in the binary of pro-choice and pro-life. This leads to a destructive division between women, one that is detrimental to the furthering of women's rights. How can we, as women, fight for our rights as women if we are so divided? Is there any way to unite these two apparently irreconcilable sides of the abortion debate?
A good starting place is to look at abortion from a feminist standpoint. Within feminism, the debate over abortion is not based in the morality of abortion or the integrity of people who support or are against abortion; it is about how abortion fits into our culture and how a women's choice to undergo or not undergo an abortion influences the status of women within our culture. Abortion has become a double-edged sword for women's rights. Without the right to choose women would be locked into their role as mothers, but being given the right to choose also acts to bypass the greater issues of patriarchy, such as the lack of support for women as mothers within our society. It is important, to further women's standing in today's society, that these two sides on the abortion debate become united through feminism.
Feminism is the advocacy of the rights of women based on the theory of equality of the sexes (Oxford English Dictionary). It is built on the principle that women have innate worth, inalienable rights, and valuable ideas and talents to contribute to society. Feminists fight for equality in every dimension of society, for both equal rights with men and equal respect.
Pro-choice feminism views the right to an abortion as integral to a women's right to sovereignty. Without abortion, women would unjustly be forced into motherhood. From a feminist standpoint, denying the right for women to choose to have an abortion forces them into submissive roles in society. Pregnancy works to condemn women to second class citizenship, since in our society, mothers are second class citizens. Once a woman becomes a mother, her resources to education, employment, and health care become severely limited.
Gaining the access to safe and legal abortions finally allowed a woman to have the basic right of controlling her own body. Prior to legal abortion, women had two options: to undergo an unsafe, illegal abortion that put their bodies at risk or to continue their pregnancy, even in situations that were disadvantageous to both the woman and the unborn fetus. Society has no right to control what happens to a person's body, and does not try to manage men's bodies in such a manner, so the right to abortion has equalized women by giving them the right to manage their own bodies.
Without legal abortions, underground unsafe abortions will still occur at the expense of a woman's health. Denying women the right to abortion serves to diminish women within society. There is the claim that fetus is a person and, by revoking a woman's right to chose abortion, society places more value on the fetus. From the pro-choice standpoint, the implication that an unborn fetus, which is unconscious and without thoughts, has rights equal to or superior to a woman's, serves only to diminish the recognition of women as living, breathing people who are able to consciously make their own decision about their pregnancy. Compulsory pregnancy laws also violate the traditional American ideals of individual rights and freedoms.
Pro-life groups, though often touted as anti-feminist, do not disagree with the need for women to become equals in society. Instead, the feminist pro-life groups see abortion as a mode used by patriarchal culture to keep women in submission by not adapting its structure to encompass mothers. Patriarchal culture has devised abortion as a way to manage pregnancy while maintaining its domineering structure.
The beginning of discrimination against women is based on the simple fact that they are not men. Women's bodies are defined by men through the male gaze that shapes the male dominated culture. Because of our lack of a penis, women are relegated to the periphery of society, unable to succeed. The fact that women are able to give birth only serves to continue to define women as the other. The way women can succeed is by adapting ourselves to the patriarchal society. An example of this is displayed through women's bodies. Socially, women's beauty is defined by thinness. Some sections of pro-life feminism argue that by having an abortion, women are succumbing to the social pressure to be thin; they are not embracing their womanhood. Instead of defining what a "woman" is by the standards of living as a woman, womanhood is defined by men. Pregnancy, one of the times when a woman feels most beautiful and in charge of her body and life, is discriminated against. In society, pregnancy is not considered beautiful and, through medical institutions, pregnancy has become considered to be a precarious condition that must be monitored and looked after. This serves to alienate women from their own feelings of beauty. By not embracing our bodies during pregnancy, we resort to defining ourselves in men's terms.
Not only does abortion serve to alienate women from identifying with what defines us as special, it also acts as a device that eludes the root of discrimination against women: patriarchal culture. Abortion serves as an easy escape from confronting the discrimination of women by taking the guise as fundamental to women's equality. The truth is that women's equality is still based in a man's world. In order to be equal, women must adopt the characteristics of men. To be on an equal level politically, socially and economically, women cannot become pregnant, because that is, quite obviously, something that men do not do. Our society is not made for women with children. There is a significant lack of good, reliable child care. Businesses do not have flexible hours which suit women with children. Women are still considered the primary care-givers to children, keeping the burden of responsibility for children off of men.
Instead of liberating women, abortion liberates men and society. "Abortion on demand liberates men who want sex without strings, promises, responsibility, or the rituals of romance" (Gargaro). Since abortion is an option, it enables employers to not have to make concessions to pregnant women and mothers. Abortion only serves to support the idea that childbearing is solely a job for a woman and, now more than ever, men are exempt from being involved. In the case of an unwanted child it is a woman's "duty to undergo an invasive procedure and an emotional trauma and so sort the situation out" (Greer, 95). Germaine Greer encapsulates the feminist pro-life reaction to the legalization of abortion:
"What women 'won' was the 'right' to undergo invasive procedures in order to terminate unwanted pregnancies, unwanted not just by them but by their parents, their sexual partners, the governments who would not support mothers, the employers who would not employ mothers, the landlords who would not accept tenants with children, the schools that would not accept students with children. Historically the only thing pro-abortion agitation achieve was to make an illiberal establishment [patriarchal culture] look far more feminist than it was" (Greer, 92).
What type of "right" does abortion allow? Most women choose abortion because they feel like they have no other option. How is this real choice? To continue to live happily in the patriarchal world, women submit themselves to the social structures that favor men. As society is structured today, women risk losing everything they have worked for by choosing to have a child. Childbearing, as an option for pregnancy, fits into this society in a marginalized way.
On the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion, but is about the value of women in society. Feminism is pro-woman rather than pro- or anti- abortion. This is where the pro-life and pro-choice groups can begin to relate to one another. But where can we go from here?
These two groups need to come together for the sake of equality for women. Instead of focusing their energy on protesting each other, they should unite their energy to change the structure of society. Women must work together to create a business world that supports mothers by petitioning for legislation that protects their right to work, even if they have children. Focusing energy on advocating for better, more reliable childcare would help to combat the male bias in business. We must start at the root of the problem, the lack of space for women within our society, and work from there.
Not all of the change can be made by altering the laws that govern our society. We must change our attitudes. Women must stop yielding to patriarchal society in order to succeed. We must demand from everyone around us the equality that we deserve, in both the public and private spheres. This includes pushing men to take initiative and responsibility within relationships to uphold their half of the duties. Women have moved into the workforce, so men must compensate by helping in the home. We must demand from men equal responsibility in caring for the children that they took equal part, and pleasure, in creating.
Only when this change is accomplished and when women and men do equally participate in all aspects of our society, will the abortion issue become actually about abortion within feminist thought. As for now, we have to establish ourselves as a powerful force. We must fight for the acceptance of motherhood in society, but until then we also work to keep abortion legal so that we can live without the fear that everything we have worked for, including the acceptance of motherhood and truly equal rights, could be taken away with one sexual mishap.
Bibliography
Gargaro, Carolyn C. "What is a Pro-Life Feminist?" Problems of Death:
Opposing Viewpoints Series. Greenhaven Press, 1997. found at
http://www.gargaro.com/lifefem.html accessed on 11/20/04
Greer, Germaine. The Whole Woman. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., 1999. 91-100.
McClain, Linda C. "Equality, Oppression, and Abortion: Women Who Oppose Abortion Rights in the Name of Feminism." Feminist Nightmares: Women at Odds, Feminism and the Problem of Sisterhood. Ed. Susan Ostrov Weisser and Jennifer Fleishner. New York: New York University Press, 1994. 159-188.
Planned Parenthood Website. www.plannedparenthood.com accessed on 11/20/04
Pro-Life Feminism Website. http://members.tripod.com/~SLV80/ accessed on 11/20/04
Young, Iris. "Pregnant Embodiment." Body and Flesh: A Philosophical Reader. Ed. Donn Welton. Malden, Massachusetts: Blackwell Publishers Ltd, 1998. 274-290.
Comments made prior to 2007
Abortionby
must be left a lone. I had one in 1993. I was raped and
beaten by my then husband. I was left in a shelter for battered
woman.
No protection for me.
I learned I was pregnant during my divorce procedings. If I had
gone through the pregnency I would have been forced to have that man
another 9 months into my life.
Politic;s have no place in a woman medical prodecure. IT is non of there business ... Jeannette, 8 November 2006
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well...i'm pretty sure the
well...i'm pretty sure the unborn child CANT talk.
It may not talk
The child may not talk, but it is highly developed in terms of differentiation of tissues. Furthermore, there are many people who can not talk in this world, so does this give us the right to kill them? In defence of pro-lifers, if we are wrong, we have to deal with knowing that we brought a life into this world regardless of the way it was brought in (half of you pro-choicers are unplanned, you're mother was probably scared when she found out and more than likely did not want you... but aren't you glad she kept you?). But what if you pro-choicers are wrong? You potentially could be killing a living human being (People may make the argument that the fetus is not alive because it depends upon the mother to live. However, again there are other cases in this world where humans are dependant upon external things for life but it still does not give us a right to kill them. Anyway, I hope to get across to people is that stop thinking about this as a equality argument, because it's not about that. I'm a female, I know that there is still a long way to go for us to get equality and equity, but killing unborn children (some of them women, what about the rights of unborn females??) is not the way to start.
People have a right to their
People have a right to their bodies...
I think there should be more
I think there should be more laws governing this sensitive debate.
If you a minor(female)you need the consent of BOTH parents.
If you are a minor(male) you need the consent of ONE parent.
If the female minor says "I dont know who the father it" and aborts the baby with both of her parents consent.........any prospecting male partners that belive THEY ARE the father and did want to keep it.....he will have the right to SUE for his loss of his unborn child.
The grandparents of the male minor will have the right to the fetus as well and may sue for their loss of their unborn grandchild.
Lets face it........there are no more Virgin Marys out there....the fetus has to come from some one.
If you an adult(female) you do not need a parental consent to terminate............you do how ever need a consent from the """other""" party provider.
If there she does not know who is the father............any male partners that belive THEY ARE the father and did want to keep it.....he will have the right to SUE for the loss of his unborn child.
The grandparents of the adult male counter part will have the right to the fetus as well and may sue for their loss of their unborn grandchild.
Concerning martial issued of abortion..........
The wife counter part must have consent to terminate by the husband.
If both parties agree then there will be no judgement between them either while married or DIVORCED(as long as both parties have agreed and signed)
Grandparents have no rights concerning married couples choices.
abortion should be illegal to
abortion should be illegal to an extent. i think each case should be taken to a judge and figured out. if you were raped, or if you could die if you have to baby, abortion should be an option. but if youre 15 years old, have unprotected sex with your boyfriend, you have to live with the consequences. if you take the chance of getting pregnant, you have to deal with what happens afterwords.
What if the woman is a girl
What if the woman is a girl who isn't even ready for a BOYFRIEND that got RAPED? Like, if someone that went to school with me (I'm in middle school.) got raped, they wouldn't be physically or mentally ready for a child! I know I wouldn't! Or, if a baby was born into a family of drug addicts! Wouldn't it be so much worse to live though the sight of your own parents high, and choking on marijauna smoke daily? Jeez, people! Or, if someone was addicted to meth WHILE they were pregnant! That would give the child TERRIBLE defects!!!
Well. . .
A woman has constitutional rights to abort a baby. Amendment 9th and 14th say there is can be no law that says you can't do something. You have the right of life, liberty, and property. Anyways, it's your own body. You can abort a baby (but for me it's wrong). The "baby" is technically still a fetus. The fetus cannot respond when outside of the womb. An actual "baby" can. See the difference? Yeah it's bad, because of your morals that the church has taught you. Have you ever heard of the metaphor in the Constitution : Wall of Seperation between the Church and State. Everyone has a different opinion, but religion has something to do with it. Think about it...
abortion
in my opinion from what have reserched you should not have sex if you know that you might have a baby and then you want to hurt the baby by getting an abortion.
their is a certain point a
their is a certain point a little before 8 weeks after conception where all your body is producing is pregnancy hormones.(so there is no physical baby to worry about). You should never have sex if you dont at least attempt to prevent yourself from getting pregnant(unless of course your trying). You should read up on the stages of pregnancy to know when the baby actually begins to exist and when it first develops the ability to think. The important part is to deal with this as quickly as possible, so I hope youve already made your decision as of what to do. (8 weeks from the time you had sex that you believe got you pregnant)
well im 17 and writting a
well im 17 and writting a letter to the senate about the FREEDOM OF CHOICE ACT which is a act basically saying it is a womans chioce weather she wants to terminate her pregnacy or not. this is a very privte thing and should be kept privte. why do some people think its okay to tell someone what to do when they HAVE NOTHING to do with it what so ever. if theres already a bill saying its the womans choice then why are some people trying to pass another one saying its not a womans choice.
I totally agree. Its our body
I totally agree. Its our body and our life.
The Baby
What about the baby? What happend to the maternal instinct to love and protect? You are supporting to kill an inocent child. So. What about the baby's "rights?!" they do not deserve any of this, and what they at least deserve is the right to be born. Protect life.
technically speaking, the
technically speaking,
the baby is not living. the supreme court chose to let them have abortions becasue of the fact that the embryo and fetus are not able to live outside the womb. therfore it is not living. so it does not have any rights. Dont get me wrong, i hate abortions but i argue for both sides.
What about their life? Who
What about their life? Who will speak for them? What if you were them? Who would dream it was your own mother (the one you would think would protect you) would be the one to choose to kill you. My heart breaks. I cannot bear the picture images on the online site search of aborted babies. HEARTBREAKING May God forgive.
Abortion in my opinion is
Abortion in my opinion is wrong for all of the reasons already expressed. the right to life is a fundamental human right as declared by the United Nations in their Universal of Declaration of Human rights; article 3.
once you have made the decision to have intercourse you have made the decision that you are ready to accept all of the consequences that come with it. therefore if you cannot handle a child at the moment do not engage in actions that can result in a pregnancy. there are alternatives to sex.
If abortion is going to be legal then i think it should remain separate from the healthcare system, meaning if you want an abortion you pay for it yourself instead of it having government funding.
IVF
I wonder why no one is up in arms about women who have IVF done and destroy the test tube babies (6 day old embryo). After a while they need to be disposed of and the woman has a couple of choices: dispose of them, donate them for stem-cell research, or donate them to an infertile woman. Is it not a woman's choice to decide how many children she wants? Suppose she has 8-10 viable embryos ready to implant-- is she to subject herself to being pregnant 10 times and having 10 babies? Is she required to donate all of her (and her husband's) genetic material to another person who will raise a child that is genetically hers? That would create some pretty complicated situations, I'm sure.
Also, if life begins at the moment of conception why is God spontaneously aborting all these babies, why is he causing miscarriages, why does he create non-viable pregnancies which then have to be aborted?
"It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby's heart beat is detected." http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm
I guess it's ok if God does it!
God must be there in the IVF office when scientists are inserting the sperm into the egg-- the sperm that has been weeded out as the strongest and the egg that has also been deemed the strongest.
We're dealing with science here, people. The bible is not a biology text book.
I agree
I agree with you 100%. If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all good, why would 'he' allow spontaneous abortions to occur in the first place? Certainly makes you wonder...
I don't agree with you
Then what about rape,incest,or other cases that men force women to have sex?
Against abortion
This is what I can't stand, people always try to justify abortion by saying what about incest and rape, if you look at the statistics, the percentage of women getting abortions in those circumstances is extremely low. In most cases, they keep the baby. In reality, the majority of women who are getting abortions are those who refuse to take any responsibility for their actions and neglect to use protection or birth control. I don't care what the Supreme Court deems as living, it is a life at the moment of conception, therefore it's quite clear that abortion is murder. It's not about an issue of women's rights over her body and pro-choice nonsense because NOBODY has the right to take the life of another, makes me sick. You know what's hilarious? Everyone says its not a life until it's born yet if someone was to murder a pregnant women, it is considered a double homicide. The law is so ridiculous, people pick and chose when a life matters or not.
Everyone says its not a life
Everyone says its not a life until it's born yet if someone was to murder a pregnant women, it is considered a double homicide. The law is so ridiculous, people pick and chose when a life matters or not.
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The difference is the woman's intention. Let's say a woman is 8 months pregnant and gets murdered. At 8 months it seems likely that she is intending to give birth to the child. Her life and the life of her child was taken without her choice or consent. I don't find that hilarious at all. If a woman chooses to have an abortion it's totally different—-she is in control of her body and what happens to it. Before 5 months a fetus cannot live outside of the womb, and no the fetus cannot consent or choose or defend itself, but if we go by this logic then animals living on factory farms cannot defend their lives either so why isn't it illegal to murder cows and chickens? Who said humans are the most important life on the planet anyway?
What I wonder is, why do the unborn have superior rights over a woman or girl? Also, if a woman decides not to have an abortion and is a single mother, does she have any additional support from society? Or do we only care about her when she's carrying an unborn child. Suppose she's one of those alleged "welfare queens" collecting checks for more babies— are those unborn lives still so sacred?
I believe all living things are sacred; animals that are actually birthed and living outside the mother's uterus. That includes all people, all races, all religions. (In addition to all of god's other creations.)
Ok, most reported rapes do
Ok, most reported rapes do not result in pregnancies, so the majority of women having abortions are women who feel that is their only option. I was one of those women. I was not raped, however; I was old enough to have known better, but I was naive enough to think I wouldn't end up pregnant. I have been pro-choice since I was a teenager, and my opinion has not changed in over 15 years. Having an abortion was a hard decision to make and to this day I still believe it was my only decision. Not all women have to capability or the option of carrying a child to term, and quite frankly in my opinion, asking a woman to carry a child to term, watch and possibly despise the changes happening to her body, (because remember she HAS TO HAVE this child), force her to deliver a child and then raise a child she does not and did not want or give the child away is more damaging than having an abortion. It has been almost 6 years since my abortion and I still believe it was the right choice for me and I do not regret my decision.
According to the seven
According to the seven characteristics of life a fetus is a human, there is no reason anyone should be permitted to kill an innocent being.
au contraire, mon amie..
4. Living things respond to their environment: a fetus is not responsive for the first few weeks of its development.
6. Living things reproduce: the fetus is incapable of reproducing, as it is still part of a process of reproduction.
do we call a handful of acorns a forest?
Response
4. What about someone who is in a coma?
6. Post-menopausal women do not reproduce. Are they no longer human?
Hmm..
I find that it is ok to have an abortion in general. Because think about it, Its not even a baby yet.... its still a cell. I wouldnt be guilty to have an abortion. Cause think of all the shit u gotta go through with the baby, not to mention if u gave that baby up... that child will be emotionally upset of being an oprhan. Also, the population of the world is huge. Its probably better off without another human being in the world.
dont agree with you
listen to yourself you sound stupid...Its not okay to have abortion your killing an innocent baby who did nothing to you.. If you know your not ready to have a baby dont have sex..
Giving up a child emotionally scarring at birth??
As a child who was given up for adoption from having a mother who was too young to care for me I AM NOT emotionally scarred in any way shape or form.. Aside from the factor that newborns in foster care are easily adopted its the kids that get put in at 5-6 years old or whatever age that have trouble being adopted.. If you think you are grown enough to have sex then you are assuming the resposibility to care for a child.. YOU KNOW WHAT CAUSES KIDS!!! Use common sense be abstinent or be prepared!! As a 19 year old mother, I was pregnant at 17 and I am not a proud SINGLE mommy of a 13 month old son, I knew what would happen if I had sex and I chose to do it, so when that test said I was pregnant I knew it was time to grow up and accept the consequences for my actions, and I wouldn't have it any other way
Great to have a choice
I am pro-choice and think that you miss the point of the abortion debate. No one thinks it is an easy way out. Everyone lives with the "consequences" of their decisions or actions but although I am not pro-life I take issue with people calling children (or potential children) Consequences. I have had an abortion and I have a child. I am single and I thank god I was born somewhere I had the choice for either. If we were in Afghanistan as unmarried pregnant woman, we would be stoned to death (a bad day for all involved- let a fetus survive that). Don't look down your nose at others who made different choices. Value your rights by respecting the rights of others.
On another note; Not all baby orphans are adopted, would you adopt a baby of a different race? How about one with Downs? AIDS? Be honest! Ok then, now go do it! Lets clear out those orphanages! Pha-lease people! Be serious!
“Its not even a baby yet....
“Its not even a baby yet.... its still a cell.” According to Planned Parenthood most abortions are done at or before 12 weeks gestation and that “it” doesn’t become a baby until “after birth when it takes its first breath.”
So let’s look at what exactly it is that’s being aborted.
Within the first 4 weeks the brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs start to form.
At 6 weeks bone, external ears, salivatory glands and tooth buds begin forming. Blood forms in the liver and is then pumped through the heart to the rest of the body. Brain waves can be detected as early as 6 weeks and 2 days.
At 7 weeks the heart has four chambers, is nearly complete and beats about 167-175 times per minute. The fingers and toes are fully separated and he/she will move her arms and legs. She can now hiccup and has a startle response. Ovaries will appear in females.
At 7-7 ½ weeks leg muscles become attached to bone by tendons and knee joins appear.
At 7-8 weeks the eyelids grow rapidly and fuse together. The diaphragm muscle is complete and the embryo will begin intermittent breathing motions. The kidneys produce urine and in males the developing testes start to produce and release testosterone. At this point 75% of embryos show a right hand preference.
At 8 weeks and 2 days the red blood cells deliver oxygen to the body and collect carbon dioxide. The embryo will touch his face, turn his head, squint, open his jaw, make grasping motions and point his toes.
By the end of 8 weeks an embryo has gone from a single cell to almost 1 million cells. It now has 4000 distinct structures and has more than 90% of the structures found in an adult. The heart will beat about 7 million times while it is still classified as an embryo.
By the time it has reached 12 weeks it will yawn, make facial expressions, suck its thumb, respond to light touch and possibly even have bowl movements.
By the way: it is only a cell for about the first 24-30 hours after fertilization then it divides and becomes a bunch of cells. You and I are also nothing but a bunch of cells.
http://www.ehd.org/index.php Educate yourself!
but. it cant feel pain.
i would like to point out that the majority of scientific studies support the fact that a fetus cannot feel pain until 24 weeks; some are earlier, stating that 20 weeks is the point in which they can feel pain. is a fetus really a human if it can neither think, nor feel?
So what if they still can't feel?
If a fetus doesn't feel pain until 24 weeks, does it mean that we should discriminate or get them out of the world, and get the opportunity out for them to live? And for me, fetus, even if they still can't feel or think, are still humans. They're humans because they're going that way!. Their DNA is already there and it is completely human.
In the eyes of the Above, they have rights. They have the right to be given the opportunity to live. They have every right to live- every living organism has. Even if they can't feel, I just feel like they do have, especially after aborting. Just put yourself as the unborn child aborted? What will you feel that your mother aborted you?
The common reason for abortion is that they can't sustain and give the best to the child. For me, so what?. I mean-just by carrying that baby inside your womb for 9 months, with the sacrifices you have just to see to it that the unborn child will be healthy, and by giving birth to that- I think, one has given the best to the child. As long as you give that child all your love, even though you can't give him/her all she WANTS but as long as you try your best to give him/her all he/she NEEDS, It's the best gift you can give to the child.
No offenses..
pain
I just want to point out that babies CAN feel pain from 10 weeks on. Videos of babies being aborted have proven this by explicity showing the baby trying to escape from the abortion instruments when being prodded by them.
It's totally horrific.
In what year was this essay
In what year was this essay written ?
Don't agree with abortion?
Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one. All of you religious fundamentalist sound so goopy with all you talk of the "baby" . Until a certain gestational age it's tissue. Couldn't survive outside the womb-not a cute, cooing baby. What about all the poor sperm men waste on a daily? Go bark up their tree. I know it makes you uncomfortable but try not to judge what you are unable to understand.
Hi, I do not agree with you
Hi,
I do not agree with you pro-choice people's arguments.
First, if it is your right to have an abortion, then what about the baby's rights? you were once in the same condition, but you are obviously here. the baby has brain waves, it moves, it has a beating heart just like your own. if the child is sick to start with, would you not want to have a chance to live and breath despite that fact?
humans are not animals, to dispose on a whim, we are above that because we have a mind, a charactor.
second, just because the baby could not servive on it's own in the beginning does not mean that you must destroy it. its not even your "tissue" to destroy! its not "your" body! it may reside there, but hey, you got yorself pregnant, take the consequenses. anyway, nothing can servive on its own in the beginning, every single thing is volnerable at the start.
third, it is a dual thing, the man gave you the sperm, but you also made that choice. even upon being raped and such, it may not have been your passion and what not, but that little body in you is still alive, and it's body is not yours.
thank you for reading, and, if you did not want somone to judge, then dont put a statement like that with a reply option.
because i said
i think that abortion should be in some cases acceptable because of rape but letting people just kill an innoucent little baby growing inside you is just wrong. people who cant have babies want that more than anything and you have it so take advantage of that. but on the other hand getting raped is another story that could be hardest thing to do...and i would probably get an abortion it all depends on what kind of circumstances its under.
i agree but....
Spencer, If it were only that easy. Choosing exceptions to the abortion rule would be like choosing certain laws to abide by. Its all or nothing, unfortunatley. I do agree that there are many people out there who can not have their own children and would love this child, I have an aunt who has adopted to children at birth. I get it, and get what you mean. My problem is that I believe a woman has the right to choose wht she does with her body, whether I agree with it or not. We do not know what everyones story id or what they have been through, rape, incest, and abusive relationship. I would not choose an abortion myself, but I respect the choice of any woman and her rights to her own body. If we start to let the government tell us what we can or can not do with our own bodies than we will have some problems. I respect your oinion and my points are merely an opinion, but I come from a mother who suffered incest and I can not imagine carrying the baby of a relative. Abortion is all or nothing, it is legal or illegal and I beleive there is no in between.
Be okay with your choice.
I agree. Under every circumstance there is a consequence for your decisions. If you have been raped, and become pregnant from it, keeping the child would be a hard choice. Also aborting it is hard too. If you kept the child, you would see that rape in his/her face everyday, a constant reminder of what happened to you. But in return, you show that child that even though you were traumatically violated and unloved, that you can gave them life, love and a chance to take the best from what is given to them.
If you decide to abort the child, you will live with the everyday regret that you killed an innocent baby. Some people go through abortion because they don't think they can handle raising a child, because they want what is best for them, because they believe it's an easy way out for you and the child, or even the fact that they cannot bare to have a child from the man who raped them. Whatever the reason, the woman will always remember the abortion. You can overcome rape, and overcome abortion, but the trauma from rape, and then the trauma from abortion...a woman will remember the trauma that "he" raped her, and she will always remember that "she" killed that child.
There are devistating choices to be made either way. The important part is whatever choice you make, despite what otehrs think, as long as you feel comfortable with the choice you made, you will get through it. It helps to have your family and close friends to hold your hand.
So if you are raped it's ok
So if you are raped it's ok to kill the innocent little baby growing inside of you? Why? I understand not wanting to keep a baby that came from a circumstance like rape but that's why you have the option to give that living being up for adoption instead of killing them. Morals don't change based on circumstance. It's not ok to kill someone no matter how painful or inconvenient they may be.
Hell YES!!! The rape victim
Hell YES!!! The rape victim was violated and the baby is a reminder of the pain. Should she be put through that pain every single day? You want her to sacifice herself/ pay the consequences(when she did no wrong)?Why should she put the child through that, knowing her mother doesnt love her. And for adoption it isnt a solution. Most kids that end up in forster care are lost in the system. Why do that to a child; why leave the baby in a bad situation when you have the choice.
actually kids that go into
actually kids that go into foster care are not always in a bad situation. i know a bunch of foster kids that are in a good situation and they love being with their foster mother
have you ever even been
have you ever even been pregnant? no one wants to have that for 9 months
because i said
I think that unless you have been put in the position to have to make that decision you really shouldn't speculate on what you would or wouldn't do. Until you are put in that position you never know what you would do raped or not!
regrets
A friend of mine was raped in highschool and she aborted the baby. She is an emotional wreck now, five years later because of the descicion she made. She knew that it was wrong. And I wasn't speculating. It is a fact that it is still wrong to kill a baby if you've been raped. That doesn't change.
how can you say this???
How can you say this is a womens right? Yes people think that a women has a right to do what she wants with her own body if that were true than you should agree that all drugs should be legal because it is your "right" to put the drug into your body and over use if you want. Also if you kill someone you go to jail when your found guilty, when you decide to spread your legs you need to learn to face the repercussions of your actions just as the person that killed someone has to face the repercussions of there actions.
Re: Abortion
I dis-agree refering you to some router who asked that what of a million sperms men pour down and go noticed or un-noticed? Should we legalise this as well? I think the state should permit safe abortion, and for better states, such feotus can be incubated! the will of abortion should not affect the life of the feotus.
to address your first issue,
to address your first issue, it absolutely is a matter of women's rights. who are you, or me, or anyone else, for that matter, to determine what one should do with their own body? also, making abortion illegal is a form of governmental control. regardless of the actual circumstance, I don't personally feel anyone has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do within my own body. I am an individual. furthermore, your comparison of abortion to legalized drug use is invalid. drug use is known to cause deviant behavior, and have serious health risks to the user. having an abortion does not have the same impact on society. also, there are tons of legalize drugs, such as: aspirin, cold medicine, and a number of other over the counter remedies. and finally, the argument about abortion = murder, is completely subjective to one's interpretation of life. some do not feel that life begins at conception. sure, we know that a fertilized egg, if left uninterrupted, will eventually lead to an infant, but one must consider other factors besides that, such as: does an unconscious being have rights? do those right supersede the mother's? you should try and view abortion from another perspective, as I have.
You are absolutely right. No
You are absolutely right. No one should have domain over another person’s body, but you're not talking about one body, you’re talking about two. An ovary is a part of a woman’s body just as a sperm is part of a man’s body but when the two combine they form a separate body that is so unique it has never and will never exist again. In fact, a hormone must be released in to the woman’s body that suppresses her immune system; otherwise the embryo would be recognized as a foreign body and killed. So no, an unborn baby is NOT part of a woman’s body and to say that it is is scientifically absurd and flat out ignorant. Besides if it were a part of a woman’s body than every woman who becomes pregnant with a male child is for a short time part male right? No, the unborn are also individual beings. They do however rely on their mothers for survival.
You mentioned that it’s a woman’s right? How about the 800,000 unborn girls who are being aborted every year in the US? They apparently do not qualify.
Some chose not believe that life begins at conception however it IS a universally accepted scientific fact that even a fertilized egg is a living being.
As far as when the unborn become conscious or self aware, the greatest minds in the world cannot answer that question but apparently you can.
As far as who has more of a right is concerned…we don’t look at who has more of a right but who has more to lose. A pregnant woman must sacrifice nine months of her life after which she has no legal obligation to that child but the child must sacrifice his very life. So you should also look at abortion through another’s point of view…the unborn’s.
my body
my lawyer went behide closed doors with my exhusband lawyer and put in the divorce, that I can not have any sex or i will loose my allamony, I believe that I should be able to do anything I want with my body and I fell that she took away my rights.
Darla Earp
A modest rebuttal.
At no point did I state that the embryo was part of the woman's body. I fully recognize that it is a separate entity, that is not the debate. The fact that it's a separate body inside of mine does not negate my own ability to govern MY body. If you had a foreign being growing inside of you, do you not feel that you have the right to expunge it?
As for the 800,000 being aborted...you're right. They don't qualify. They are not recognized as "persons". Your opinion on the universal acceptance that life begins at conception is definitely an assumption. This is a hot topic actively debated in various fields (biology, psychology, philosophy, etc.) and as yet there has not been a consensus reached. To claim that the "scientific community" is on your side is premature at best.
Conversely, the question of when a fertilized egg becomes a cognitive being HAS been determined by the "greatest" scientific minds. Fetal brain cortex development resulting in measurable activity on an EEG (electroencephologram) doesn't happen until the last two months of pregnancy. I have no problem arguing that a being without thought is not much of a being at all. Consciousness and self-awareness are most certainly NOT present at best until extremely late-stage pregnancies, based on the science we have today.
So you base your ethics regarding this situation based on who has more to LOSE? By that logic, you should give all of your money to the starving people in various third world countries. They have far more to lose than you. You might even say you're aborting those people by failing to give, by the logic you employ.
Even employing your ethical system, from the perspective of loss, one could easily compare the anguish, pain, time, and emotional impact a pregnant woman endures carrying a child to term to...what? A thoughtless being's lack of existence? That's 100% to 0%, in my book. The mother clearly has more to lose than a non-entity with no thoughts, emotions, or feelings.
Aside from ethical issues, by what measure can you possibly say that a woman has no legal obligations to her offspring? She could certainly go through the process of putting her child up for adoption, but the dozens of yearly "dumpster-babies" will argue that there is most certainly a legal obligation on the part of the mother.
Beyond ANY of these other issues, there is one massive failure repeatedly identified in the argument against abortion. Ultimately, regardless of your views of the morality, if we outlawed abortion entirely...what is the alternative? Where is the alternate solution? If the number of abortions in the US alone numbers 1.2 million (approximately, by some measures), that's a population growth of at least 1.2 million a year. Who is going to care for these children? Are they ALL to be put up for adoption? Speaking only for the United States, the systems in place for adoption and foster care are already MASSIVELY overwhelmed and overtasked by the number of children that AREN'T aborted. Only 120,000 children are adopted yearly in the United States. What do you propose we do with the one million eighty thousand unwanted new babies every year that ARE NOT adopted? We already can't place the children we have in the government's adoption programs.
Ultimately, this is an issue that will ultimately supercede individual ethics and instead comes down to an institutional, global problem. Even if we decided that abortion was universally, morally, legally, and in every other way wrong...anti-abortion activists have as-yet failed to provide any solution to the problems their activism aims to create.
Who will care for these children?
You?