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If I use my own experience in this institute---first came the sawing as you presented observations that sawed away at some of my assumptions and prior learning. don't you have to poke some holes, saw some branches, to get to thinking that there is a reason to challege the presumptions?

Weirdly enough (here I go embracing my slippery brain), saw away a student's set points and you run the risk of being cast in the role of expert and indoctrinating them in a brand new set of assumptions. Simply sawing or teaching them to challenge their own presumptions does not guarantee that they will develop a particular way of thinking. Which brings us back to the Zen student/master story, or to stories of cult indoctrination, military boot camp....