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The Worst Disease You Can Get: Fatal Familial Insomnia and the I-Function

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Pierluigi Gambetti, one of the discoverers of the condition known as fatal familial insomnia (FFI), claims that it is "the worst disease you can get." (5) Given the vast number of diseases in the world, Gambetti's claim seems farfetched at first glance, maybe even selfish; who wouldn't want to take credit for discovering one of the worst diseases in the world? But a quick overview of the disease presents solid evidence in favor of the claim- and some interesting insights about the many tasks of the I-function.

FFI has been discovered in only 28 families worldwide; it is an autosomal dominant gene mutation, meaning that a parent with the disease has a fifty percent chance of passing it on to his or her child (2). That much is predictable. But every other aspect of the disease is wildly unpredictable, forcing family members to make difficult decisions. If parents have such a high chance of passing on the disease, one might ask, why don't they simply choose not to have children? The answer: FFI , unlike many other fatal genetic conditions, doesn't appear until the victim is middle-aged, and tests to see whether parents carry the FFI mutation only recently became available (1). Here the first questions of the I-function, and the first paradoxes of the disease, appear. If this disease occurred in childhood, natural selection would have long ago done away with it. Because it does not strike until middle age, however, parents who may be carriers must make difficult decisions about childbirth. Paradoxically, it is in the parents' best interest to have more children, in order to ensure that at least some live FFI free into old age. More children, however, also means more potential FFI cases- a tough paradox for the I-function to work through.

Next, the symptoms. FFI baffled investigators for years, because certain symptoms resemble encephalitis, end-stage alcoholism, and dementia, among other conditions (1). But the hallmark of FFI, which the aforementioned conditions don't necessarily show, is the complete inability to sleep. The brain wave patterns that appear on FFI patients' EEGs go up and down wildly, in a pattern completely unlike the normal sleep-wake cycle; they may still show patterns indicative of REM sleep at night, but they do not pass through the sleep stages that typically precede REM, and they can still move while in the REM stage (5). There are also unbelievable highs in pulse and blood pressure, excessive sweating and an eventual loss of coordination and other gross motor skills (including speech) before the victim finally falls into a coma-like state and dies (1). But, most horribly, the thinking portions of the I-function remain intact, even as the rest of the body deteriorates (4). Because FFI is invariably fatal, patients understand that they will die, can talk and write freely about their coordination deteriorates and understand their fate up until their death (5). Some diseases, like Alzheimer's disease, are tragic because their victims lose the ability to describe their decline; in these diseases, the I-function deteriorates along with the physical body. But FFI is tragic for precisely the opposite reason; it leaves the I-function intact, even when its victims are clearly in physical agony.

Even the agent that causes FFI defies conventions. It is a prion, a form of infectious protein. Humans naturally produce thousands of intricately folded proteins, and the vast majority of them are harmless. But if one protein happens to misfold in a harmful way, it can trigger a chain reaction, leading other proteins to produce similarly harmful forms; the immune system cannot counteract the chain, since it does not see the proteins as infectious agents (4). The exact mechanisms behind this process, and the reasons why it should be fatal, aren't well understood. The effects of prions on the brains of FFI victims, however, are well-documented. In most areas of the brain, FFI victims show remarkably little damage. The thalamus, however, is utterly destroyed, full of holes (3). Given this evidence, one might try to make the argument that the I-function cannot be located in the thalamus; after all, FFI victims remain completely able to think and comprehend the world, even as the prions destroy that part of the brain. However, the I-function isn't limited to one section of the brain, and it does not only control thinking and speech. Indeed the sleep-wake cycle, so damaged in FFI victims, is also regulated in part by the I-function; people simply tend to forget this fact, because sleep feels like such a natural part of our existence. Only in unusual cases, like the severe insomnia of FFI, do we remember the I-function's role in this cycle.

FFI, then, presents yet another example of why it's useless to try to pin down one precise area where the I-function lies. One can see from FFI victims that the parts of the I-function that have to do with language use and comprehension, with naming people and objects in the world, probably aren't located in the thalamus. But the thalamus must play some role in the sleep-wake cycle, judging from FFI victims' brain damage, and the I-function aids in sleep-wake cycles as well; one cannot give an exact location for a function that performs so many diverse tasks.

 

Web Sources:

1) Case Study: Fatal Familial Insomnia; Location: Venice, Italy; To Sleep No More

2) Dying for Sleep: Researchers Track the Cause of a Rare but Fatal form of Insomnia

3) Fatal Familial Insomnia

4) Biofundamentals: Protein Folding and Turnover

Non-Web Source:

1) The Family That Couldn't Sleep: A Medical Mystery, by D.T. Max. Random House Publications, New York, 2006.

Comments

Andy Serendip Visitor's picture

I'm sorry . I know how

I'm sorry . I know how terrible it is . Have you gotten to see another doctor ? My Doctor put me on Gabapention and it helped me a lot. Are you seeing a psychiatrist . I have Bipolar disorder and I'm wondering now if the sleep problems coupled with that made me not sleep for so long dident usually last 2 years but who knows . Keep bugging doctors and changing them until someone helps. I wish you the best..

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hi andy

i hope you have your sleep study soon. I had a proper one at the hospital but with no cameras monitoring the room. The results came back that i slept 6 1/4 hours but i was definitely awake the whole night as `i have been for the last 20 months. I used to sleep for 9 hours never had any problems with sleeping in fact used to fall asleep on the sofa all night instead of going to bed. Its strange that your sleep study came back normal and you are awake all night sounds like mine. i am being send to a phychiatrist but the doctor which is a total joke as they have no clue what I am suffering. I started my job on monday don't know how `i got through the day really my legs were like lead weights. I am not tired though ever its so strange and obviously very rare. Good luck with your tool trailer for your business. I want to keep searching for answers but sadly i don't think I will get any. I cant take this anymore and really don't know what to do. I would give anything to go to sleep and just forget about what is happening to me.

take are hope to speak to you soon

johanne

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I am so sorry you have this and feel you are on your own. I have something similar to. I haven't slept for 20 months and nobody believes me. I am currently still able to work and in relative good health but not mentally. I had a really good life before this happened. I was put in a mental home for 10 months, I am home know and all i do all day is go on my lap top to try an take my mind off of things. Very strange I had a sleep study in london and I was definitely awake the whole night and the results showed that I slept for 6 1/4 hours. My whole personality has changed as well and my husband believes the drs that there is nothing wrong with me and its all in my mind. He is trying to get me back out to work. I am so depressed that I haven't washed my hair for 2 weeks and I don't got out anymore if I can help it. I just don't know what is going to happen to me in the future and I cannot get a diagnoses. I also feel very scared and had a panic attack the other day where i just screamed the house down. I wish you all the best and wished I could help you.

Johanne

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Johanne: I'm am so

Johanne:

I'm am so sorry for your suffering. I know it is pure hell. I went through this for nearly 2 years. I have just recently started getting some sleep. Sometimes as much as 5 hours.I know meditation helped me a lot but I still don't know how I was able to survive with no sleep. I started having severe memory and cognitive problems. I went to take my daughter to her friends house I had been to dozens of times but totally forgot how to get there . I will be driving down the road in my own area and suddenly just not have a clue where I was. Have you tried Trazadone. That worked great for me for years .

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Thank you so much for your reply it was nice of you to be concerned. I am glad that you are finally getting some sleep. I know that i won't ever be able to sleep again as it has been 20 months of pure hell and it is just not going away. `i just don't know what to do anymore.

wishing you all the very best

`kindest regards

`johanne

Andy Serendip Visitor's picture

I know how you feel. I have

I know how you feel. I have always had not slept a lot but like I said about 2 years ago It got really bad . I never slept more then 1-2 hours a night and that is total time in a night. Even that was not continuous I never sleep more then about 30 mins at a time... pure hell!. Keep on your doctor's and push them for answers. If you contact the place listed in here in Chicago..forgot the name . They will do a blood test for Prion disease. I finally got a call yesterday for a doctor to do a sleep study on me . Once it's done I'll see about getting my blood work done by them. But if you have not tried it yet look into types of meditation while you wait for answers. It take practice but it's a big help once you get the hang of it.take care and good luck.

Andy

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insomnia

wishing you all the best with your sleep study and blood test, i truly wish i could help you.

take care of yourself as well, you are in my thoughts

johanne

Lee's picture

insomnia

About 9 months ago I noticed that my sleep gradually diminished. I would sleep from 10-7, then 10-4, and finally one night I stopped sleeping completely. After 3 days without sleeping I rushed to the ER and nearly collapsed from exhaustion, but something strange happened, and I lost the feeling of exhaustion. At the ER I underwent blood tests and everything was normal. About a week later I checked into the psych ward of a hospital after writing a suicide note. There they gave me Clonopyn and some other drug called Olanazapine. Over the followings I was able to sleep off and on until about January of this year. That's when my sleeping stopped completely. I no longer feel tired and my body is constantly in motion. It's like I'm hyper-alert and restless 24-7. Time has slowed down to a halt. I went to see a neurologist and said that I thought I had Fatal Insomnia and was told that I was delusional because the sleep profile he gave me detected some sleep but I swear that I didn't sleep at all. So I go about every day in a permanent state of alertness and hyper-restless, and have lost all feeling for hunger in addition to fatigue. It's an absolute horrible condition to be in. I don't I think I have SFI, but have something worse and even more deadly because I can't relax and stay calm even for a second no matter how much medication I'm given. I just wish I were dead already. I tried praying and asking God for forgiveness but nothing happens when I pray. I wouldn't wish this condition on my worst enemy. It feels like torture 24/7.

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Dear lee

i wanted to know how you were feeling because i am suffering the exact same thing. I haven't slept for 22 months and i am not tired. I don't know what to do as my life now is pure hell from the worry and the drs thing it is a mental health problem along with my family too.

please reply back.

kind regards

johanne

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sleep

DEAR lee,

I am so sorry you are suffering i know how it feels. Haven't slept for 20 months but a sleep study has shown that i slept 6 1/4 hours. I never tired i lay awake all night. Nobody believes me. i took 4 zopicline this just made my body feel a bit tired and lobby but no sleep. I know i have bot something wrong with my brain and I am not being diagnosed. My husband keeps having a go at me and i start a new job on monday. I don't know how i am going to do this as I am so depressed. It is just so horrible an nobody believes you at a. I am laying in bead at the moment not got anything to look forward to other than this. I Cant find anyone to help me. I wish i was dead but am too scared to kill myself. Have you had any answers with you condition.

wishing you the best

Johanne

Andy Serendip Visitor's picture

Meditation

I know it may sound hokey but try practicing meditation. It takes a few weeks to fully kick in but it helped me immensely. Also have you ( or anyone on here) tried that fischer Wallace device? I am thinking about trying it..But anyway Lee I wish you the best...I know first hand the hell your going through. Keep fighting.

Andrew Hutchinson's picture

Fatal insomnia

I am so profoundly sorry for your suffering. I have the as same thing happening. To make it worse I live in Tallahaee fl. They have one person that can see me but is to busy and can see me until September. I went 2 weeks with no sleep...i paced all night but no one believes me except my wife who witnessed it. Like you not only don't I sleep in never tired.This is pure hell on earth. I take x anax up to 10 mg... does nothing. I so wish I could just die... I won't kill myself ..i don't want put my family through that...Please let me know how you are doing or if you have found any help....meditaion has helped me a lot but I still don't sleep...good luck , I hope you get relief

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neurological condition

Did you figure out what you have?

Anthony's picture

Your condition

Lee,

I have something similar going on as well. It all started with a series of panic attacks followed by constant irritability and agitated state. I developed muscle twitches, rashes, insomnia, and derealizatioj from reality. I know this is serious because for the last year I have had memory issues, confusion, and coordination problems.

How have you been and what have you been taking?

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Help

Hello:

I am in a grown man ex heavy weight title holder and kind of rough guy that does not believe in men crying. But I have to admit .. I almost broke down in tears when I found this site. I started having problems like this over a year ago after suffering 2 what I though were minor head injuries( may have nothing to do with it). My health kept declining , my employer basically fired me when I got a minor injury at work .I was not sleeping more the a hour at the very most at a time even before this ..would just lay there all night or watch TV. After the event with my employer.. I did not sleep at all ... for almost 2 weeks straight!!! no one would believe me .I would pace back and forth all night. The only person that believes me is my wife who witnessed it. I have since gotten some relieve but still only sleep at the most a hour at a time. But I never feel tired. I did want to let all of you know about meditation .. this did not make me sleep but over weeks of practice it has helped a great deal . Also research something called EMDR . This is basically a forced rapid eye movement that also has helped me a lot. What makes it bad for me is I live in Tallahassee , fl.. its like a third world country when it comes to health care. I have tried for over a year to get help . But cant even get them to get me a sleep study in spite having "good" insurance capital health . The one pulmanologist that is here is too busy to see anyone and said they will try view my file.. in SEPTEMBER!!!! I am so sorry so many of you are suffering for this . I'm not relieved that others have the same problems.. I wish no one else did .. I wish I was the only one.. I hate that so many more suffer. I never sleep , so I am going to spend the rest of what is left of my life looking for answers. Good luck and god( what ever you perceive him or her to be) bless all and good luck.

Andy

Tom's picture

Andy, I had a blood test for

Andy,

I had a blood test for prion diseases thourgh genetic testing and was found negative in end of Jan. I was told major depression and anxiety over the situation. I go to extremes to answer or alleviate symptoms of insomnia in extreme cases. I have tried 78 different meds for sedation and other means too extreme limits. I was severly depression from insomnia and mild anxiety. I approach GP with concerns and hit heavy on 4 benzos and Ambien! I weening off benzos but Ambien only works when your in bed and acts withn15-20 most to start sedation hard. I can take 1mg Klonopin, 1 Xanax, and 10 mg of Ambiem and only out for 5-7 maybe.

I have takin Seroqoel up to 500 mg with Remeron 30 mg ,and Trazadone 100mg without and effect but sedative effects to put me to sleep.I had to resort to benzos in combo form. 1mg Koloopin and 1mg Xanax or add 2mg Ativan. Anyone desperate to sleep will do anything to get it.F *** the withdrawal and toloreance. Not abused here. We just want to sleep for 6+ hrs for one night.

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thank you

Who did your blood test? Yea I have tried all them also. I'm starting to wonder if years of Prozac and other pyscotropics could have contributed to our problems. I seems to be one thing we all have in common. I'm pretty consistant at 1-2 hours per night sometimes I get up to three which is pure heaven when I do . I now make myself get up every morning at 430 am.. do a work out.. what I can , then meditate . I use to count an trazadone but I have a class A CDL , If they see that on your med record no one will hire you. Its weird.. But does not matter anyway cuz I now have Xanax on there and cant.. .or would not drive on that anyway. Thank you again for your help.

Tom's picture

I did it in Janurary with Dr.

I did it in Janurary with Dr. Manstranni, at Unvi. of Chicago Medience. I submitted a blood test for all Prion diseases including FFi and SFi through is assistant Dr. Kristen Crawford. Blood work was done at a local lab near me and overnighted to University there. I used Quest Labs. They did genetic tests on blood for any variations of serveral different diseases and it was negative. I do hope you find help Andy. I do need high doeses of benzos like 1-2mgof Kolonpin and Ambien 10mg to get a few extra hours of sleep. I also have Ativan 2mg and Xanax .5mg on hand just in case. I would love to stop these meds altogether and sleep more natural soon. Worried tapering now or cold turkey it and withdrawal. Plus trying to quit smoking a pack a day. And not to drink again too. It been the hardest 6 months of my life. I wish no one to go through this. Hoping you get better soon, Andy. keep up the fight.

Tom

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Prion Blood Test

Hey there,

I saw your comment regarding you got the clinical prion test through a prion lab. I imagine you had to go through some
hoops to get it.

What was the way you go in contact with the specialist and them taking you seriously?

Tom's picture

Blood Testing for Genetic markers for SFi and FFi detection.

I believe there is a ongoing clinical studies at the Univ. of Chicago Medicine for all prion disease research. Blood test is free for all prion disesases including SFI and FFI, Mad Cow Disease, CJD, etc. Paid for by the research grant. Interested:

Contact: Kristin Crawford, APN (Dr. Mastrianni's assistant and nurse practioner) Ph: 773-702-3817
Hours: M-F 9:00-5:00PM Central Time. Or leave a email message at
Kcrawford@bsd.uchicago about information on study and blood testing.

James Mastrianni, MD, PhD
The University of Chicago Medicine
5841 S. Maryland Avenue, MC 2030
Chicago, IL 60637

Email

jmastria@uchicago.edu

Office Phone

(773) 834-3470

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(773) 834-5435

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Andy's picture

" Ill get all the sleep I need when im dead" Sam Elliot..

Thank you so much for the information . I will let you know how it turns out.

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Worst insomnia ever. Very afraid.

Hello everyone. Currently, I am a 45 year old mail living with my father in Kansas City, MO. I came across these posts because
I too am hurting with horrible insomnia and I am just seeking some words of encouragement and answers. First of all, I have been struggling with anxiety and depression for several years and have been taking Zoloft for at least 18 years in which I quit cold turkey at the end of 2015 (more on that later). I was fine throughout most of 2016 until the end of November. I'd had problems sleeping before this, but I shrugged it off thinking it was just something minor, but at least I still slept somewhat.

At the end of November, when I was staying with my sister over Thanksgiving, is when I remember it all started. On the third night, as I was in a light sleep, an odd sensation came over me. My mind was bombarded with random thoughts and I was trying to sort them out, as I was sleeping! Well anyway, I shrugged this off and went back home with my father feeling very tired that day. That is when the insomnia hit. That night I went to bed thinking I would sleep ok, but I did not fall sleep but for maybe 30 min. This is when my anxiety shot through the roof. The next two nights, my anxiety was so bad that I didn't sleep at all. This is when my sleep pattern took a turn for the worse. I would sleep one night then none the next. I'm talking full awake from evening to morning. I begged the doctor for Xanax because my anxiety was so bad. But even when I took the xanax on the nights I could not sleep, my mind would not shut down and go into sleep mode. There is no feeling worse than feeling extremely tired, yet not able to sleep. I could not even take naps during this time. It is as if my brain had forgotton how
to sleep. I weant to my GP and he suggested that I should try taking Prozac to ease the anxiety. The reason he prescribed Prozac is that I've had trouble with the generic version of Zoloft. The Prozac made the anxiety 10 times worse, so I quit taking it after the first 5 pills and the anxiety subsided somewhat.

The sleeping every other night pattern continued through Christmas and made me feel very distraught. There were even two nights ina row that I did not sleep a wink. I did a lot of crying during this period. I even crawled into bed with my father
(which may sound weird) to talk and for comfort. My father is the only one who seems to understand what I am going
through and my sisters just get angry at me because they just get tired of hearing about it. They insist I take CB therapy, but I
feel that this problem is more physical rather than mental.

This pattern continued three months up until the beginning of March. This is when I went to go see a psychiatrist and he prescribed me Trazadone.This seemed to have broken the pattern and I actually slept two or three nights in a row. After about a week, I started feeling much better andthought that it was finally over! But the effectiveness of the Trazadone was beginnning to wane so I quit taking it. Also, I usedto take naps during the day which were reguvinating, but I could not for some reason during this time.

The night of April 6 is when I started having that same sensation of being bombarded with random thoughts during my sleep which immediately woke me up. I thought great, here comes that on and off sleeping pattern again. That next Friday night, I did not sleep a winkfrom evening to morning. I fealt like crap that next Saturday. I did actually sleep on that Saturday night and drove about 1 1/2 hours to see my nephew in a play. Towards the end of the play and on the way back, I had this enormous sense of meloncholy and sadness, the likes I've never fealt before. This is when the insomnia got so much worse. Much, much worse. I did not sleep at all the next three days and I do mean none. I did a lot of crying and laying around the house, unable to even take a nap. My father drove me down to the emergency room because I was delerious and was desparate to talk to a medical professional.All they did was give me a benzo which did not make me sleep whatsoever, it made me feel numb. The doctor also told me to get back on Zoloft immediately. I also told him I desired a PET scan, and he looked at me with a smile and asked why and if I'd thought I had a tumor. I also asked him if he knew anything about fatal insomnia. Again he looked me funny because he didn't have any idea what that was. He actually had to go and look it up. He then told me that is very unlikely because only a few hundred people have had it throughout recorded medical history.

The past few days have been complete sleepless hell. Maybe a few hours here and there. I have been doing a lot of sobbing and crying which is really concerning my father. What is really scaring me is that I am unable to take a nap. It's as if my brain is unable to sleep anymore. This is obviously a symptom of SFI. What else could prevent me from even taking a nap? I cannot think of anything else that this could be. I am willing to pay for a PET scan out of my own pocket just to rule anything out. It is really an empty feeling knowing you could have a serious neurological disorder like SFI. There are so many physicians who are unaware of this disease and who aren't willing to prescribe a PET scan just because you think you have a rare brain disease.

I have never fealt this way before with absolutely no sleep for days and it is killing me. Just please, if anyone reads this post, I would greatly appreciate any words of comfort and encouragement.

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How are you feeling now?

How are you feeling now?

Andy's picture

Help

I want to tell you also how profoundly sorry I am for what you are going through. I wont go too much into my issues because they are almost the same. I went 2 weeks with O sleep none not a wink but yet I'm never ever tired at all. ... the record guennis book of going with out sleep record it 11 days I have no idea how I'm still alive. No one believes me except my wife who witness it and some internet friend that I would text and different time to prove I was still awake. At any rate about help. I started meditation , it took me almost 2 weeks to even be able to do it . I suggest using Micheal Sealy guided on You tube if you cant get the hang of it . This is no advertisement it is just someone I found. It is much much better if you learn it and do not use guided as the voice itself is a distraction . But I may help you start.. I truly believe this meditation saved my life. I still don't sleep .. But I do have sometimes where I will sleep up to 2 hours... This is pure heaven for me!! Also before you meditate there is a exercise you can do to envoke Alpha waves in your brain . Sit relaxed close your eyes. .not look up with your eyes closed to the top like you are trying to look at the top of you head with your eyes hold them there and take at least 5 slow deep breaths. Then begin your meditation , this get alpha waves moving to help you focus. I also learned this on a you tube video. Another thing is research something called EMDR know as Eye ,Movement, Desensitization and Reprocessing . There are many techniques to achieving this and you can find on that most suits you . I so hope and even pray even though I'm not that religious for relief for you . I will continue to not sleep so I will spend my time.. my life what is left of it looking for help for all of us.. good luck and let me know if I can do anything or if you stumble on any help also.

Andy

Tom's picture

Andy, You need professioial

Andy, You need professioial with the insomnia. Look anything that help or put you to sleep is fine and ask to be mentionable:

MY situation was a farhard combine thing. Severe depression and trying to quit drinking after moderate to heavy for 30 years. Trying to stop smoking amd recent benzo use for 7 weeks. I function with or without. I don't give a F abobout insomnia anymore.
I do sleep 3-5 hrs at night and a nap for 2-3.

Better than 2 hrs most 4 months ago.

Andy Serendip Visitor's picture

Sleep

Tom. - just checking in you see how you and everyone is doing. I'm really glad I found this site. It is always good to exchange ideas and give in another support

Andy's picture

Thanks

Wow... thank you all for your suggestion. I really appreciate it . Like I said before I am glad to find this site but am so sorry to here so many suffering . People.. especially doctors don't believe it when you tell them how little you sleep .. they are programed to say " oh you must have sleep apnea " then when they find out you don't they say " nope no sleep apnea you must be fine" I have grown to despise doctors. But again thank you Tom you all your suggestions

Andy

Ramona Joey's picture

"MISERABLE IN MISSOURI"

I personally am going through the very same thing, your post gave me goosebumps!! I've been battling this for years and have accused doctors of giving me placebos because meds for insomnia didn't work. I am in a lot of pain, been up for many days and STILL not tired. The only time your body can heal itself, is when you are in REM sleep...., I can't post much right now as I'm in a lot of pain but would love to hear from you!! VERY SINCERELY, " MISERABLE IN MISSOURI" PS prayers to you and your family, I'm right there with you!! If you ever need someone to talk to, I'm here..., awake 24/7... UUGGHHH!!! GOD BE WITH YOU AND BLESS YOU WITH SOME MUCH NEEDED SLEEP.

Jeffl's picture

Inability to fall asleep

Well sometime around the age of 60 or so I lost the ability to sleep "normally". Actually since my late 20's "normally" meant either at first drinking until I passed out (TO SLEEP I must insist - I was never an alkie) or later someone showed me how I could "put myself under" with about 6 mg of melatonin combined with a couple of fake Benadryl. Anyway that stopped working and I really freaked out. I went to some "low-end" shrinks (I figured I knew what I needed, just needed the prescription) but they kept prescribing horrible things with really bad side effects and addictive tendencies. But the reason I knew what I was looking for was I was simultaneously getting psychotherapy and learned that I had (pick the name you like: complex PTSD, developmental trauma, attachment disorder) from growing up in a thoroughly dysfunctional family that was about 1000% in denial, and the stress I was under was colossal (and to boot I also was alexithymic and had other physical manifestations). So what I was looking for (and am still on today) is 50 mg/night of seroquel, this usage is "off-label" but the war vets with PTSD know how well this works on insomnia. The fact that I was alexithymic also meant that most of the "conventional" psychotherapy doesn't work on me. The problem winds up being related to your brain rhythms (EEG) are way off from all the stress and your amygdala has your body in full panic mode and is commanding your adrenal glands to just flood your bloodtstream with cortisol (most shrinks STILL don't understand this explanation but it's true) and you need infra-low neurofeedback therapy to start to fix it, THEN you might be able to accept other kinds of therapy. I mean sure you'd probably see some or all of these other issues and symptoms but if you've never been to therapy at all this COULD just hit you all at once like a ton of bricks. Anyway nobody came close to following this line of thought here so I figured someone might benefit from my two cents, this probably sounds "rare" but it's actually WAY more common than FFI or SFI and if you know what you're looking for some aspects or another of my story are almost in epidemic now that we know a lot more about the results of being a victim of familial narcissistic abuse.

Alfredo's picture

The Truth is Real, you are an Insomniac.

“Hope” is the thing with feathers—Emily Dickinson
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.

I have suffered from Insomnia since I was a kid. I always remember that when I was around 9 I would wondered around the house, exploring the dark halls, looking at the stars from the night window, I always found the night fascinating, and I realized that I didn’t sleep till 3-4am. Not knowing what I know now is that this was insomnia. This went into Adult Hood, and now I am 32 and I’m still chained to Insomnia.

Today, there are Insomniac periods which are triggered by the Flu, stress, Depression or sometimes no reason at all, I go for days with no sleep, 3- 4 days. Around the 4th or 5th day, my mind simply becomes delirious, I get anxiety, and everything becomes a fog, like in a dream stage. Nothing seems real, peoples faces become surreal. You feel exhausted yet your mind simply cannot shut down. You love sleep yet you also dread it. The bed seems like a torture devise only there to hurt you. But is it?

At first, when I had my first insomniac episodes lasting well over 2 weeks. I went into panic mode, racing heart rate, racing thoughts, restless leg syndrome, always worried that sleep would never come. I went to see many doctors time after time, and went to the ER only to be sent back with Xanax and a large bill. I tried everything from Ambien, to Tamazapem and Amitriptyline. The medicines sometimes work, however, always on my back of my mind; I knew these medicines were only temporarily helping me. They also made me feel like crap the next morning or while I was on them, I wanted to stay away from medicine habitual therapy. I wanted to fight this unknown force full frontal. However, every time I did, I failed miserable, it only put me a more anxious state.

I then began reading about FFI, and SFI during my insomniac phases. I know for a fact, that due to the easiness of google, most of you have. We instantly become obsessive with these very very very very very rare diseases. In fact, mathematically speaking, there are 6-7 billing people in this world and less than 7 cases have been reported. The math is solid; you do not have SFI or FFI. However, our minds convinces us that we with have it.

In fact, I have a challenge for anyone here that claims to have it, post your medical records indicating you have it. I guarantee no one will. Because you do not have SFI or FFI!

One thing is to break the habit for obsessing over SFi and FFI, simply stop reading about it. Find something else to read, do not stress yourself over what you read, we are animals of habit and you will eventually forget about these topics. Read something else. If you obsessive over it, write it down, and say do I really have this extremely extremely RARE disease? Remember most doctor apprentices think they have everything they read because of the symptoms. 100%of cases there wrong, their minds are simply paying with them.

Look at as a chess move, trick it. Don’t attack this anxiety full frontal, use techniques that will trick it. Confuse it. Watch cat videos; watch a stupid movie, like Kung Fu furry. Remember war battles are won by deception not conventional War. Gorilla War warfare will defeat and subdue Insomnia. Use Strategy and you will be victorious.

Keep self-occupied with funny things, something unique, something Inspirational. BE POSITIVE!

One thing you need to realized and simply repeat is that you do not have SFI or FFI. Write it down, blog about it, make a short you tube video. I actually made this YouTube video about insomnia a few years ago. It reminds me of my pain, mental anguish and I share it with people. It makes me happy and proud that I don’t suffer alone. Upon Millions of people sufferer Insomnia every day, most of them have never ever heard of SFI or FFi. The ones who read about them are the ones who know, and sufferer the worst. It prolongs there insomnia.

Sometimes I wish I had never read about those topics, however, being an intelligent coherent human being yet with obsessive compulsion only made realized things. You do not have SFI or FFI, you are simply intelligent. Did you know, one of the most common doctor visits are due to lack of sleep. Here is my insomnia video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-POOchAxo7M

The Road Not Taken
ROBERT FROST

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Things you can do to help your mind and body relax and maybe get you to stop worrying:
Do: Gym, Run, hike, Watch movies, Read, Play Video Games. Play Mario. Bring happy thoughts and Nostalgia back into your life. Create Blogs, talk to fellow insomniacs.

Get a juicer and start juicing. Juice fruits and vegetables. Ginger Roots, Celery, kale.

Take magnesium and drink calming tea. I have taken Rue Tea with Mint. This is very sedating and calming. Smoke weed, it will help you relax naturally. Avoid Caffeine during the evening.

Write, sing, cry, and laugh. Be positive. Your mind will eventually take over and make you sleep. Don’t lie in bed if you cannot sleep. Get up and read, write. Record a video, talk to someone. Talk your parents, your brother, and your sister. Talk to a therapist. Talking is the cure for everything.

Remember, sleep is not a disease, its all in our minds, and we are the only ones that have control over this. When you’re lying in bed next time, simply let go. Tell your mind, take me and lets go for this roller coaster. Your mind will take over this; it is here to help you live, not hurt you. Its only temporarily pain, this is the best time to think and be creative.

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Absolutely terrified that I may have SFI!!!!

Hi,
I have been experiencing insomnia for about four months to date. It initially started in January, where I had difficulty falling asleep, but once I was asleep I stayed asleep. My sleep onset remained at the same level of difficulty, but then I started to awaken frequently throughout the night. I Googled insomnia, and I happened to come across FFI, and a related variant, SFI. Initially, learning about FFI terrified me; I became very anxious about my insomnia and could not sleep well throughout the night. Since then, I haven't been able to sleep very well; in fact, I notice that when I fall asleep, I enter REM very rapidly. I assume, and fear that I am not able to achieve the slow-wave sleep stages. Apparently, people who have these forms of insomnia report vivid dreaming, which indicates that they are only achieving REM sleep. I don't have a family history of this disease, but I'm very scared that I may have SFI, for which you do not need an inherited gene linking you to the disease. I know that this is exceptionally rare, but what if I do have it? I have not been experiencing any other symptoms indicative of neurological dysfunction that are associated with FFI or SFI, except the insomnia--I understand that other neurological symptoms are very conspicuous with the disease, such as increased blood pressure and heart rate, hallucinations, increased anxiety, and motor dysfunction, in addition to a cognitive decline, among other symptoms. I've experienced none of those things. If I had this, would those symptoms manifest themselves by this point?

Also, I've noticed that a few others on here report complete insomnia without feeling tired. I'm experiencing this as well, what was your experience with this like?

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total insomnia

hey there Nicole just had a read at your comment and yup im still suffering from this horrendous shit feel like completely just giving up on life because of it
i literally do not even sleep at all not even for 1 min do you actually ever feel tired anymore i cant cope anymore please reply let me know thanks chris

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Idk much about this just read post on how insomnia won't kill u

Just came across this site. I know nothing about this disease but someone wrote a long thing on how insomnia can't kill you, I had to comment. I went a full 9 days 6 hours zero sleep, I take that back I was micro-sleeping by end and I slept a couple times less then an hour in less then 15 min increments, on the 9th day 6th hour I woke my husband at 2 am told him I had a very unusual headache, I suffer from status migraines and cluster migraines two of the most painful but this was different I knew something was wrong, he rushed me to hospital they did eeg brain scan also mri for scan and within an ur took my husband out of the room said even though we didn't have inurance if my husband couldn't promise that dr I would go somewhere for 3 days and sleep uninterrupted (I had 4 small kids at time) they were admitting me as I would be DEAD within the next 48 hrs my brain was shutting down. I wasn't on any drugs I suffer from severe insomnia so don't go telling people it can't kill them when it can as it almost did me. It's documented in Bellevue Washington.

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I am afraid i have this

I am afraid i have this disease , i sometimes have trouble falling asleep and i conciously try to wake myself , I am 17 yrs old and i dont like to sleep i just like to stay awake , but i mAnage to fall asleep , i used to fall asleep like that but something happened and after that i didnt sleep right ,but it soon resolved but now again i have again trouble falling asleep i am scared of not falling asleep .

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prayers

I am currently in the last stage of this terrible disease. I have full dementia. I do not feel any emotions sadness joy happiness i do not sleep at all no medications work. I close my eyes and have a visit dream but i do not enter through the five stages of sleep. I am dreaming while still awake. I can not walk and am slowly losing the ability to talk. Writing this is hardest thing i have even been able to do. I just wanted to ask for prayers. I know im dying. I do not have the familia i have sporadic.

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Are you still living with this terrible disease

I will pray that you have recovered by s miracle and if you have not I pray you are not sufferring anymore ad I am experiencing almost total sleep deprivation and medications do not work as well. I am afraid that a reaction I had to a medication has left me with SFI. Please if you are ok and able e mail

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Sporadic ffi

Hi just wanted to say I am praying for you. You will be in heaven, where you will sleep as much as you want, and smile all day. See you there. I have sporadic now too.

-Brendan

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Hi there I fear this disease

Hi there I fear this disease too how long ave u been like this? Ave u been diagnosed with this disease and r u in England or america? I send u all my love Michelle xx

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i wil pray for uh.... i wish

i wil pray for uh.... i wish that uh r olwys b happy

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i will pray for you

hi, your message has touched me, I want to be able to send you prayers and healing light your way. I am not a doctor or anyone special for that matter but I want to guide my energy to you if you would like at least once a day.
Please let me write back if you are ok with this

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You will not die - you don't have FFI or sFI

This goes out to all of you who think you have spontaneous fatal insomnia (sFI). Please read this, as I will help you understand your condition from a post-insomnia perspective.

For those who have a family history of the disease (FFI), go see a doctor. I will cross my fingers for you. A cure is expected within 10 years.

Now, to all others:

You do not have sFI and you will not die. Over the course of three decades, only a handful of people have been diagnosed with this spontaneous variant. Judging from the posts in this forum, that number just doubled. Obviously, that is not the case. Furthermore, judging from the date of these posts, you seem to have a very interesting variant, as you are able to write on a computer far past any documented cases. Most people in this forum would be dead by now if they had sFI.

You do not have fatal insomnia, you have insomnia.

You will not die. Insomnia very uncomfortable, physically and mentally, but you will not die.

Insomnia is not lethal, but very exhausting. I know this, because I suffered from this myself some time ago. I had a week of very degenerative sleep, and on the 7th day, I woke up from very superficial sleep, with a burst of adrenalin, thinking – Oh my God, I have FFI, the spontaneous version!

Unfortunately, I had ended up at the weird part of youtube a year before, watching a documentary on FFI. Within a few seconds that morning, I had diagnosed myself with sFI and was making plans for what I was convinced was to become the last year in my life. Needless to say, it didn’t help me sleep much.

I think several of you have bumped into this forum searching for remedies and knowledge about your condition. After lacking sleep for long periods of time, trying various medicine and techniques to fall asleep, you are unable to. So you are told this tale about a deadly variant of insomnia that aligns with your condition. You can’t sleep, you are warm, you bump into things, your memory is failing you… The list goes on. So now you think you have it. I did to.

What happened to me was a classical tale of insomnia. I had suffered stress and anxiety at work and home for a long period of time, often skipping sleep to meet deadlines, irregular eating, no exercise.. you name it. A prominent precursor to insomnia is stress and anxiety. And paradoxically, anxiety really reinforces sleep disorders. It also blows your mind and body into an alert state where risk is highly overestimated. Anxiety is your body reacting to lethal danger. So saying that the probability of sFI is low, you probably don’t have it doesn’t help, right? I mean, those nine people, they were someone, why not me? Wouldn’t it be typical for me to have a condition with a probability equal to winning the lottery AND being struck by lightening (as someone nicely put it in a previous post)?

On that morning, my anxiety and sleep deprivation also deprived me of thinking rationally and calmly about statistics. The probability I had regular/ordinary insomnia was much higher. In fact, most people suffer from it sometime during their life. With my history prior to the insomnia, there was no doubt I was a classical example. But adrenalin was rushing through my body, reinforcing my anxiety, not to mention inability to fall asleep. After all, I had sFI – how could I sleep?

Insomnia is a horrible condition. Your mind just can’t rest, you are unable to calibrate from day to day and ultimately, you are afraid something severe is wrong with you. Your system is tripping – when you’re about to fall asleep, or have fallen asleep, your body wakes you up. Your body is a fine tuned system, biologically engineered over millions of years of evolution. And the anxiety that has led to, or is a consequence of, your sleep disorder, is telling your body that you need to stay awake because danger is imminent. Although the idea of having sFI is highly irrational (from a probabilistic perspective), the reaction of your body is responding as though you were in lethal danger. So it won’t, it can’t let you sleep. Because your ancestors survived in situations where there in fact was lethal danger (a hungry bear or lion was waiting for them outside their cave), that same system is now responding as though you were in that exact situation. In reality, you lie in bed, or sit in front of your computer, in the middle of the night, safe, but convinced that you are one of the extremely few cases of sFI.

Upon suffering from insomnia for sometime, reading everything I could about FFI and sFI, I realized that I was a classical insomnia case (cognitively, my body still believed I had sFI for a long time). sFI/FFI is a preon disease and insomnia is one of several symptoms. The sleep disorder symptom is highly emphasized because it is entertaining (articles, documentaries and the like all focus on this one symptom because it is so odd and scary to us humans to die from not sleeping). sFI/FFI is not contagious, and since so few people has it, environmental conditions doesn’t seem to be a factor for the spontaneous variant. In fact, the rare occurrence of sFI indicate that this is a random (and very very rare) gene mutation. Gene mutation is part of what has driven revolution, some of them are good, and some of them are bad. Random mutations occur, but there is no particular reason for it happening. It’s just random. You have about 24 000 genes. Spontaneous mutation is rare, and the chance of that happening to that one gene, and then in a manner that gives sFI, is so extremely rare it's ridiculous. Again, being struck by lightening and winning the lottery might be just as likely.

What is very very likely, is that you have insomnia, and that your fear of having sFI is reinforcing your sleep disorder.

What helped for me was the following
1) Sleep hygiene. People are suffering from insomnia like never before, and for good reasons. Our body needs rest. So if we stress at work, are anxious about social relations, money and the like, we increase stress levels in our body, sending it into states of insomnia. Sitting in front of your computer late at night, irregular eating and lack of exercise also all contribute to this. In my insomnia state, I thought sleep hygiene was rubbish, but in addition to expose your body to a rhythm that motivates sleep from a physical perspective, it also help you mentally prepare better for sleep. So whatever you do, try to follow a rhythm and exercise habits that promote sleep
2) Chillax. You will not die. It’s just very uncomfortable. Its also temporary, even if its chronic. Your body will give in. A technique I used was to allow myself to not sleep. When I woke up in the middle of the night or was unable to fall asleep, I said to myself “Ok, so I might not be able to sleep tonight, but maybe I will tomorrow or the day after. My body will give in eventually. After all, my body doesn’t want to kill me”. Remember that – your body is a complex system working tirelessly to keep you alive. It’s probably why you can’t sleep right now. So after lacking sleep for a long period, it will be like “Ok, f*** it, there might be some bears or lions outside the cave, but right now this body needs to sleep”. Religious people can pray, atheists can find comfort in science, which if interpreted rationally, will convince you by far that you do not have sFI and that your body will put you to sleep when it absolutely needs to.
3) See a doctor. If you are suffering from insomnia and suffer from panic attacks or other stress-related symptoms, there is medicine, therapy and the like to help you get back on your feet (or rather, on your back).
4) Remember – you will not die. You might fell both mental and physical discomfort, but you will not die.

Goodnight!

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The Truth is Real, you are an Insomniac.

“Hope” is the thing with feathers—Emily Dickinson
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.

I have suffered from Insomnia since I was a kid. I always remember that when I was around 9 I would wondered around the house, exploring cabinets, looking at the stars from the night window, I always found the night fascinating, and I realized that I didn’t sleep till 3-4am. Not knowing what I know now is that this was insomnia. This went into Adult Hood, and now I am 32 and I’m still chained to Insomnia.

Today, there are Insomniac periods which are triggered by the Flu, stress, Depression or sometimes no reason at all, I go for days with no sleep, 3- 4 days. Around the 4th or 5th day, my mind simply becomes delirious, I get anxiety, and everything becomes a fog, like you’re in a dream stage. Nothing seems real, people faces become surreal. You feel exhausted yet your mind simply cannot shut down. You love sleep yet you also dread it. The bed seems like a torture devise only there to hurt you. But is it?
At first, when I had my first insomniac episodes lasting well over 2 weeks. I went into panic mode, racing heart rate, racing thoughts, restless leg syndrome, always worried that sleep would never come. I went to see many doctors time after time, and went to ER only to be sent back with Xanax and a large bill. I tried everything from Ambien, to Tamazapem and Amitriptyline. The medicines sometimes work, however, always on my back of my mind; I know these medicines were only temporarily helping me. They also made me feel like crap the next morning or while I was on them, I wanted to stay away from medicine habitual therapy. I wanted to fight this unknown force full frontal. However, every time I did, I failed miserable, it only put me a more anxious state.

I then began reading about FFI, and SFI during my insomniac phases. I know for a fact, that due to the easiness of google, most of you have. We instantly become obsessive with these very very very very very rare diseases. In fact, mathematically speaking, there are 6-7 billing people in this world and less than 7 cases have been reported. The math is solid; you do not have SFI or FFI. However, our minds convinces us that we with have it.

In fact, I have a challenge for anyone here that claims to have it, post your medical records indicating you have it. I guarantee no one will. Because you do not have SFI or FFI!

One thing is to break the habit for obsessing over SFi and FFI, simply stop reading about it. Find something else to read, do not stress yourself over what you read, we are animals of habit and you will eventually forget about these topics. Read something else. If you obsessive over it, write it down, and say do I really have this extremely extremely RARE disease? Remember most doctor apprentices think they have everything they read because of the symptoms. 100%of cases there wrong, their minds are simply paying with them. Look at as a chess move, trick it. Don’t attack this anxiety full frontal, use techniques that will trick it. Confuse it. Watch cat videos; watch a stupid movie, like Kung Fu furry. Remember war battles are won by deception not conventional War. Gorilla War warfare will defeat and subdue Insomnia. Use Strategy and you will be victorious.

Keep self-occupied with funny things, something unique, something Inspirational. BE POSITIVE!
One thing you need to realized and simply repeat is that you do not have SFI or FFI. Write it down, blog about it, make a short you tube video. I actually made this YouTube video about insomnia a few years ago. It reminds me of my pain, mental anguish and I share it with people. It makes me happy and proud that I don’t suffered this alone. Upon Millions of people sufferer Insomnia every day, most of them have ever heard of SFI or FFi. The ones who read about them are the ones who know, and sufferer the worst. It prolongs there insomnia. Sometimes I wish I had never read about those topics, however, being an intelligent coherent human being yet with obsessive compulsion only made realized things. You do not have SFI or FFI, you are simply intelligent. Did you know, one of the most common doctor visits are due to lack of sleep.

The Road Not Taken
ROBERT FROST

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Things you can do to help your mind and body relax and maybe get you to stop worrying:
Do: Gym, Run, hike, Watch movies, Read, Play Video Games. Play Mario. Bring happy thoughts and Nostalgia back into your life. Create Blogs, talk to fellow insomniacs.
Get a juicer and start juicing. Juice fruits and vegetables. Ginger Roots, Celery, kale.
Take magnesium and drink calming tea. I have taken Rue Tea with Mint. This is very sedating and calming. Smoke weed, it will help you relax naturally. Avoid Caffeine during the evening.

Write, sing, cry, and laugh. Be positive. Your mind will eventually take over and make you sleep. Don’t lie in bed if you cannot sleep. Get up and read, write. Record a video, talk to someone. Talk your parents, your brother, and your sister. Talk to a therapist. Talking is the cure for everything.

Remember, sleep is not a disease, its all in our minds, and we are the only ones that have control over this. When you’re lying in bed next time, simply let go. Your mind will take over this; it is here to help you live, not hurt you. Its only temporarily pain, this is the best time to think and be creative.

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My insomnia is worse than most peoples

My insomnia is pretty bad, last night I started hallucinating from not sleeping for days, it really scared me, I can go 2 weeks without sleeping if any at all. the maximum sleep I'll get is only 1 hour and then I'll be awake for the next couple of days, Sleeping Pills and techniques do nothing to help me, Starting to think I do have sporadic fatal insomnia. its starting to worry me and I'm wanting to break down.

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insomnia

Hey man I'm in the exact same situation as you by friend have been for 7 months uneven snore and dream awake it's so scary and no one can help me and the doc thinks I'm crazy my eye lids are always red raw and have aging lines on my face and don't ever feel tired neither but I don't think wee have sporadic fatal insomnia dude we would be catonic state by now some days I don't even feel in reality can't remember what tired Ness feals like I'll give u one pointer this is how I get buy take 28 10mg diazapam and 400mg of a anti inflammatory should put you put you out in to a coma sort state temazpam pregered if you can get hold them asked to be refred to a psychiatrist and explain it to one them anyways do what i said for now and it should refresh u a little you will know if it's not worked you will get pains in your arms and legs although you dont feel the tiredness you will look it like me hit me up on Gmail chris osx 86 at Gmail dot com remove the places and my facebook is chris insomniacs bundy add me mate

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SFI

You are not a doctor and I had this rare and awful illness. It represents itself differently in different people and it's very hard, practically impossible to diagnose. And contrary to existing literature, not all people lose motor functions and/or the ability to speak. It varies from person to person. And I'm sure there have been many more cases of this illness. It's just that they die an unexplainable death and it doesn't get reported and added to such literature. I should know. I suffered with it and no longer do. Thanks to God above!!!

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How did you did the disease?

Did you actually get a diagnosis that you had SFI? How did you rid the disease? How do you even know it went away?

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Did any thing help you get over this

I would like to ask you if anything helped you get over this

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but this illness has no cure,

but this illness has no cure, how is it possible?

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TERRIBLE INSOMNIA

About 3 months ago I began not sleeping. I've been to my primary care doctor, urgent care, and the ER 3 different time$.I tried Melatonin, Alteril, and other OTC sleep aides with zero effectiveness. I used to abuse alcohol and Marijuana for more than a decade. I fear that I may have permanently my brain and the part of it that controls sleep. All of my lab work has come back in normal ranges. Thyroid etc...I have been prescribed Ambien (didn't work, Valium, and am currently taking Seroquel. I get a few hours of non restorative sleep. I've been feeling a burning sensation throughout my body and headaches every night. I have a sleep study scheduled in about two weeks. My personality has been completely altered (no joy or sorrows) I just feel dead emotionally. My short term memory is shot and I have trouble concentrating. I am terribly anxious and very paranoid something very serious is wrong with me. I've had a mental health evaluation with no depression or anxiety issues with the exception of not being able to sleep at all without very strong medication. I've tried exercise, yoga, meditation and of course lots of prayer. Nothing is working besides Seroquel, which helps very little. I am writing this post to see if there are any other people who've got any suggestions or thoughts, as I'm becoming more desperate with each nearly sleepless night.

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Take Gui Pi Wan

Its Chinese meds for autoimmune. Its the only thing that helped me. I was going to die at the rate I was going. Ive been on it for a couple years almost. I went from being a bedridden prostitute to having a six figure job and a nice 1000 dollar a month luxury apartment. Used to hear gun shots outside the 400 dollar apartment.

18 days ago I went raw vegan and I'm seeing about changing my diet and going off of Chinese meds. I've made it to day five but my chin is quivering and head had a little bit of a burn. I've dewormed and all of that.

I hope I"m able to post this without a bunch of BS. These stupid forums these days are a pain in the ass and want you to have a membership, etc.