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Week 9--Thinking about our election choices
On page 365 of Prodigal Summer, Deanna reflects "it didn't matter what she chose." Today--after the election, and two-thirds of the way through a course on choice--what do you think? Does it matter what you chose?
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Choice
I think that people do have power over their lives and the ability to make choices that have weight. The kind of choice that Kingsolver writes about is actually about instinct: we do not have power over our biological choices. For example, we don't have power about who we fall in love with, because attraction is based on unconscious forces, namely pheromones--sex attractants that we cannot smell, but others pick up on and are then attracted to us.
However, we do have the power over where we live (mostly), and what kinds of people we meet, so in a way, we do have power over who our friends and lovers are.
And as far as elections are concerned, I strongly disagree with people who say their vote doesn't count. Of course it does! Its not like there are billions of people in America voting, so every vote does count if you consider all the people who came out to vote in this election and caused something like 99% voter turnout in some counties (like Montgomery and Bucks County) that ultimately helped win the state of Philadelphia and secure the win for Barack Obama.
Choice
I think that people do have power over their lives and the ability to make choices that have weight. The kind of choice that Kingsolver writes about is actually about instinct: we do not have power over our biological choices. For example, we don't have power about who we fall in love with, because attraction is based on unconscious forces, namely pheromones--sex attractants that we cannot smell, but others pick up on and are then attracted to us.
However, we do have the power over where we live (mostly), and what kinds of people we meet, so in a way, we do have power over who our friends and lovers are.
And as far as elections are concerned, I strongly disagree with people who say their vote doesn't count. Of course it does! Its not like there are billions of people in America voting, so every vote does count if you consider all the people who came out to vote in this election and caused something like 99% voter turnout in some counties (like Montgomery and Bucks County) that ultimately helped win the state of Philadelphia and secure the win for Barack Obama.
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I think that choice actually does matter. It's your choices that lead to effects and consequences and many times, there is a lot of different options someone can take. For example, in this election, if the majority of Americans voted for Mccain instead of Obama, politics would take a different turn that if Obama had won.
I think that Deanna said this thinking/knowing that some choices are not in her power and she has no decision or say in what choice is made. I do think that the way Deanna would act depending on whatever decision was made would have some affect on the outcome. I feel that Deanna's quote is untrue and is her way of making herself feel insignificant, which is ironic because throughout the book I see Deanna as a strong character.
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Very often , the choices we
Very often , the choices we make may not be realized if similar choices are not made by those who are making the choice alongwith us . But , as individuals seeking to be in charge of our own lives , it is important to make a choice in the first place - which is what 64% of Americans did on this historic day .
Just Choose
Our Choices Matter
Without a doubt, it is absolutely vital to make choices. On election day, voter turnout was unprecedented with more than 120 million people casting their votes. Many might doubt whether one vote made a difference, but each individual’s thought process and his or her choice of candidate ultimately determined the election. It’s also significant that Obama received about half of his contributions from donors contributing $200 or less. I gave $25 to his campaign, which may seem like chump change, but it made me feel fulfilled. I played an active role to change the course of our nation's history.
According to Deanna, “the world was what it was, a place with its own rules of hunger and satisfaction.” If we surrender completely to the laws of nature, choices will be made for us, but we will only be a pawn of life. In order to avoid apathy, we must take charge of our choices. If only to maintain a sense of control, what we chose is crucial.
Our choice makes a difference
Does it matter?
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I almost completely agree with Natalie. The simple, almost obscurely miniscule choices I make out of repetition and self-structured procedures all act as stepping stones for the greater decisions in my life. Though my choice of lunch today may not immediately affect my long term health if I continue to make a choice to choose food unwisely I could feel the effects of those long-term misfortunate choices in my overall health.
As for the election, I believe it is the civic duty of every American citizen to vote in elections for elected federal and state officials etc. However, it is a voter's choice whether or not they make informed voting decisions. If voters choice to be informed about candidates running they can use their vote as an "opportunity of choice" in which they as well as other voters pull together in order to enact change on a LARGE SCALE. It is a choice to abstain from voting, however that choice is indicative of a distancing from the electoral process and therefore and concession of ability to dissent from an elected official's policies. To vote it to be an active enabler of change in one small entity and to hold that power as an American citizen is incredible.
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In regards to the election, one person's vote is not a deciding part of an election. However if a large number of people believe that their vote does not matter, the polls would be deeply affected. In a situation like this, people must ban together to for their choices to mean something. These votes and choices are important; they are the building blocks of an overall decision that will have great impact on the world.
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"If you don't vote, you can't complain!"
My instinctual response is -- YES! Of course your choices matter! Speaking strictly about the election; regardless of the outcome in whichever state you voted for, if you voted, you supported a candidate based on your own personal opinions. Even if the candidate you supported didn't win the state you voted in, your vote still mattered. How so? Because voting, or in general making a difinitive choice, you are solidifying and supporting your opinions, whether publicly or to yourself. Perhaps it's an idealistic view point, but your choices should matter to you even if they don't matter to anyone else.
I have a friend from home, who is a socialist. He is registered to vote and consistently goes to the polls to abstain from voting. To most this may seem like a ridiculous idea, but his ability to choose -- or in this case to abstain from chosing -- really does matter to him. His opinion is that he does not support any of the candidates, but instead of passively sitting back and complaining, he makes an effort to solidify his opinion in his own eyes and in the eyes of the government. My mother's addage rings out in my head: "If you don't vote, you can't complain!"
Fate or free will
In life, many people believe in free will, and many others believe in fate. I believe in both. For many decisions we make in life, there is no choosing. Simple everyday things, such as what your eating choices are if you eat in an organized setting like a Bryn Mawr dining hall, is something you can not choose. But sometimes it is something that matters more; for example, who you fall in love with. You can’t choose to love someone, it is something that happens; as some would say, it is fate. Yet, just like you can choose what to eat out of the pre-selected options you are given, you can choose what to do with what fate gives you. You can choose to marry or live with the one you fall in love with, or you can choose to do nothing about it, or even run in the opposite direction. Deanna did not choose for Bondo to come to the forest, she did not choose to become pregnant, and she did not choose his leaving. Those were acts of fate, and she was right that she had no choice in THOSE matters. But she did have a choice in others. She could have chosen to not talk to him the second time, she could have chosen not to sleep with him, and she could have chosen to ask him to stay or leave when she wanted, not when he decided to. Everyone has a certain level of choice, but there are things that have to be left to serendipity.
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Do I make a difference?
When I first heard this quote I immediately thought back to the Omnivore's Dilemma and a discussion about vegetarianism. I have attempted to be a vegetarian a few times but as soon as I smell my mom cooking a batch of bacon saturday morning, I give in. In order to make myself feel less guilty for my meat eating habits, I tell myself, "someone has got to eat it, if I don't, it's just going to go to waste." I figure that my being a vegetarian isn't not going to make an impact on the amount of animals being killed. So in this instance, no, I don't think it mattered what I chose. However, as I get older, that insignificant feeling starts to go away. I felt like my vote made a difference. If people always says, "there's no point, I'm not going to make a difference," if people always leave things up to other people, count on other people, then nothing will get done.
Choice
It would seem that to the person making the choice their decision would matter to them because it would have an impact on their life. But is that really the case? When you think about it on a much larger scale, one individulas choice doesn't have much of an impact on the world. In Deanna's case she is reflecting on the fact that what she wants doesn't really matter in terms of how it will affect the world around her. The world will remain the same regardless of what she chooses, "The world was what it was." Just as everything in nature people live and die so in the long run individual choice really doesn't matter.
To Vote or Not to Vote?
choices matter?
I hope so!
I like to think that my choice mattered. Maybe my choice personally didn't matter, as this election did not come down to a single vote, but collectively the votes of the college students that came out in record numbers did make a difference. I am a part of that group, so therefore, even if minutely, my vote did make a difference. My choice mattered.
The rest of our choices matter in the scheme of the world to if you think about the butterfly effect. All of our choices will have a chain reaction which will set off a whole other series of choices because we have either opened a new door or limited the opportunity of someone else. The choice we made is also the result of that chain reaction of choices. So while they matter, they don't at the same time because there are so many choices being made all at once that in the larger picture each individual choice is lost. Basically I'm talking in circles. They matter and they don't matter. Good night.
My choices matter
I think that our choices do matter. Deanna might have thought near the end of the novel that her choices didn't matter because she realized she could not control how Eddie Bondo thought or acted. However, the last line of the book is "Every choice is a world made new for the chosen." Our choices about how someone else should be does not necessary have the ability to change them, but it still have the potential to. Any choice Deanna makes, or I make or anyone makes, is going to affect something or someone, somewhere.
Even though thousands upon thousands of people voted today, my vote still counted. It doesn't feel like my vote alone will make all the difference, but my vote along with others votes will help choose a very important aspect of everyones lives.
Every choice I make directly affects my life at least. My choice to come to college will have an immense impact on my life. And even on a very small level, my choice to be sitting in collier library right now and working on my homework will affect the amount of work I have tomorrow and therefore my stress level. I think that this course has proven to me even more that my choices do matter.
In some situations, our
Does it matter what I choose?
I do agree with Deanna - it does not matter what we choose, since some things are not within our control. It may be to the best of someone's interests to act a certain way, but that does not mean they will choose to act that way or that an external force can necessarily persuade them to act that way. We are on a daily basis thrown into situations we did not choose to put ourselves into. Our authority lies over how we react to the situation at hand. We do have agency over responding to choices, not so much certainty that what we choose will deliver the result we desire. That said, I do not want to be completely reductionist. Not everything is beyond our control, and to an extent it does matter what we choose. What I am trying to say here is that - within limits, what we choose does matter, yet in the larger sphere of action and consequence, our choices are like an individual atom is to a bigger molecule - a randomly orientated moving particle.That particle can make a difference to the molecule, but statistically the chances are not very high - that does not mean it does not happen. That is how it is with individual choices.
In terms of the Presidential election, it really does not matter at all who I choose. It would, if I were, you know, American ...
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Our Choices
Ideally, we would like to think that what we choose does make a difference. I think that we all want to be in control so when we take the time to make a decision, hopefully it affected our lives in a positive matter. But sometimes it does not matter what we choose since we cannot control the choices of others. And if someone else's choice affects us then the choice we made would seem like it "didn't matter". In other cases, there are somethings that just cannot be controlled, such as the weather or the choices of others, so we just have to accept the outcome as it is.