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Part of this morning's discussion reminded me why I didn't go into philosophy.  It sounded like the underlying precepts to the branch of philosophy called "subjective idealism," which states that all that we know or think we know is only in our heads.  There is nothing that is real outside ourselves.  That this was considered a valid "philosophy" was enough to drive me from the subject.  I'm more accepting of it now, but that is b/c I can modify the philosphy myself (within my own head) along the lines of what Will said so that it becomes acceptable.