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Snow Day Discussion Forum on Today's Readings (3/5/15)

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Dear Empowering Learners,

Please use this forum to share and respond to some reflections on the readings for today.  How do the ideas, stories, and perspectives in "Hopeful Impossibility" and "Education Is Life Itself" speak to/with our course concerns? To our concerns about the connections among culture, privilege, desire-based work, empowerment?  I would apppreciate it if you would both post a comment and respond to a classmate's comment.  Enjoy!

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Larisa's picture

In reading the essay, "Hopeful Impossibility," one thing that stuck out to me was the connection between risk, empowerment, and honesty. In the essay itself, as well as some of the examples used of attempts at working towards collective empowerment, honesty was always the starting point. For example, I saw this in the way Alice began by acknowledging that she was writing from "a position of intense privilege," as well as in the student fellows' attempts to build bridges within the Ghanaian community (by intervening when the children called them "siliminga" instead of letting it go) and within their student group (when the Muslim student acknowledged that she was offended by the other student's complains about hunger during the fast for Ramadan). Each of these expressions of honesty involved a high degree of risk (for Alice, it may have been that her readers question whether her privileged position irrevocably biases her work on this topic, for the Muslim student the risk may have been that her peers would think she didn't appreciate their gesture). But in each of these cases, taking this risk was necessary in order to move forward. So as we talk in class about what empowerment in different contexts entails, I think it is important to keep this lesson about the necessity of using honesty as a starting point in mind.

alesnick's picture

Yes.  I often say in and about the work in Ghana that I choose/strive to be as honest as possible, and to be candid -- to say what I think/feel without a lot of self-editing or projecting.  To me, this approach, while risky in the ways you describe, is actually the safest.  I also think your point linking risk with moving forward is really key.  As in: no moving forward without it.  I wonder whether these ideas resonate in your experience?  This came up actually in our (small) online class discussion during the snow day.  When people in the placement ask why you are there, what do you tell them?  One student said she gives an answer that doesn't always feel true. I asked what it would take to give an authentic answer, and what could result from this.

dpreziuso's picture

I love the idea of creating temporary bridges between people to facilitate learning that is discussed in “Hopeful Impossibility.” I feel this idea holds especially true when framing learning and helping as a two way street like we often do in class. Such a bridge lends itself to an exchange between whatever lies on each side, but I also imagine with a temporary bridge that the time for exchange frequently expires before all valuable information can cross to the other side and that more complex understandings only make it part way before the bridge ceases to exist.

I think some of the key complications that come from the temporariness of a bridge relate to why the bridge is no longer in use. Has a class ended? Was the exchange a brief one between two passing strangers? Has a grant for collaboration ended? Has one person in the exchange abandoned the experience? By answering these questions, I think it leads to a more profound understanding of the type of learning that has occurred, but it may also give insight as to what will happen next. Perhaps another bridge will be built between the two parties in the future or between others as a result, or maybe the temporariness was a relief to end a bad experience.

From an initial consideration, I feel this metaphor extends nicely to relationships in general, which “Hopeful Impossibility” suggests it will; I think further exploration of this could lead to interesting discussion.

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This post brings into focus questions about why bridges between people go out of use: formal endings, as in a class or grant; abandonment; relief to end a bad experience.  I think it could be useful to list more: fulfilment of the purpose for the bridge; creation of a better bridge elsewhere; emergence of a stronger priority elsewhere; harm to the bridge by something outside of it.  I wonder whether it could be a useful practice for educators to think through how a bridge we build to/with another person or community might end -- not to plan for that, necessarily, or to be dominated by what we anticipate, but to build into the building some thought of its changing.  I guess this is a different way of talking about assessment, monitoring and evaluation, and even sustainability.

Kirsten Adams's picture

I too, was struck by the idea of temporary bridges between people. At first, I thought to myself, "what's the point of building a bridge if it isn't built to last and be used?" I found myself wondering what would cause a bridge to close and to my surprise, all of the reasons I was thinking of were damaged based and implied that the closure was a deficit to the student or person on the "helped" side of the relationship. But thinking through a desire based lens, I can see how a bridge may no longer be needed for myriad positive reasons like Alice mentions in her comment. For example, they could have found a route or bridge that was more convenient, useful, or empowering for them. I feel like we are so conditioned to expect and see the negatives that one of my goals for this class is learning to make desire-based my default perception of my surroundings and experiences :)

erule's picture

Two passages really interested me in Educaton Is Life Itself. The first was, "While educational ideals emphasize creative and critical thinking, independence, and questioning/exploration...." (pg.3) I really disagree with this statement, specifically the part about creative thinking. Creative thinking is not emphasized passed a certain grade. The last creative writing piece I wrote was in 8th grade. After that, there was no creativity. Standardized tests rob students of their creativity. Papers are formulaic, just as math and science are. There is very little room for creativity in History, as the subject is based in nonfiction. Art has even become formulaic, as one has to impress an AP board to get credit for their artwork. How is art supposed to be graded? Had some of the most famous artists been graded, they would have failed with flying colors. Jackson Pollock, F, Monet, C, Picasso later in his career, F. Art is expression! There is no way it can be graded because there is no formula for it to follow! My main point is that our current educational ideals thwart creativity and it has to be saved later in life, or is lost forever if one decides not to save it.

Another passage that really caught my attention was the preparation-driven curricula and how students are more focused on the answer, not the process of getting there. I totally agree with this statement. In high school especially, the most important end goal was the answer. Our understanding did not matter, the main thing was that we had the right answer in the right spot. The assumption was that the understanding would come later, but before the test. However, in Empowering Learners, especially, we realize that sometimes there is no right answer, or there are multiple. The most important part of learning is the process, because those are the problem solving skills that benefit us later in life.  

I really enjoyed reading about “tullum” in Hopeful Impossibility. I also thought the explanation of Alice’s background was really interesting, especially because it was introduced so early. The background of an author I think is incredibly significant because it does alter their perspective and the way they write. My favorite part of reading about tullum was the actual definition that spanned multiple pages, because the idea of a challenge with positive and negative connotations along with the idea that you are not restricted by boundaries is incredibly pertinent in today’s society. I also really enjoyed how the English language struggled to define tullum correctly, especially when English is referred to as “the oppressor's language" in the introduction. 

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I appreciate your clear rejection of the idea that fostering creative thinking is an educational ideal.  Your voice here is clear and poignant. Do you see a connection between tullum and creative thinking?  If so, can we learn something from the idea of tullum to apply to the rigitities of our current ed system?

cliobodie's picture

I really appreciate your connection of art to the idea of creativity in schools.  I completely agree with your point, throughout highschool especially I often felt no room to venture outside the box for fear that it would be harmful to my grade in a class.  I think that is why it is difficult for many of us, myself included, to take risks on papers or postcards in this class.  We are so accustomed to following guidelines and formulas for all of our work that the idea of risks-taking seems unconnected to the process of completing school work.  I think that is such a shame because I agree with your statement that creativity is such an imporant part of life.  Emphasizing creativity in the classroom could make learning more engaging for students and would produce much more interesting and unique work from those of all ages.

alesnick's picture

I appreciate this thread!  Do you think risk is actually necessary to thinking in and of itself?  I see that allowing for risk, range, creativity would make learning more engaging, but do you think it could actually be necessary for learning to take place?  Anyone can answer here!

EmpoweredLearner's picture

I think risk,range, and creativity is necessary for learning to take place.Without these three concepts the learning is stagnate. It again returns to the focus on a "preparation for future living" rather than " a process of living". Without risk, range and creativity learning is becomes a process of memorization and application in the world in that current moment with no innovation. Innovation is the goal of an education ( or at least should be) and learning is the action of attaining that goal although it presents in various forms. These three concepts also allow students/learners to personalize or better mold ideas or understandings in a way that they understand instead of trying to mold to the learning itself. I believe that risk, range, and creativity work hand in hand and there is no possibility having one without the other.

Grace's picture

I TOTALLY agree about how helpful it was to hear about Alice's background. I think that whenever an author describes their relationship/background to the material, it frames the paper/discussion into a much larger context. I really wish that this was something every author did. This may sound odd, but I also think that knowing an author's background helps you "click in" just a bit quicker to the heart of the writing.

alesnick's picture

I learned to situate myself as part of doing academic writing, and thinking, while in grad school. It was part of the intellectual tradition I was being trained in to acknowledge one's subjectivity and positionality, and to avoid unearned claims to objectivity or universality.  I do think it makes some writing more compelling because we can place some trust the writer (even if we don't agree)-- maybe that's where the click comes from?

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I found it very interesting when one of Alice's colleagues in Ghana commented "Before now we had negative beliefs about Western education. Now the story is different and we have accepted formal education as the way out of poverty to liberation." It is interesting that he automatically conflates "formal education" with "Western education." Is Western education the only kind of formal education? Is traditional education in Ghana necessarily informal? Is formal education inherently better than informal education? This also links to Alice's other paper in which she argues "that formal education need and ought not forego the unconscious exploratory processes of informal learning." By embracing Wetsern education, aka formal education, are the people of Ghana giving up the benefits of informal learning? Are they taking a defecit-based approach to seeing their own history and culture of education?

I really appreciated Alice's response to this: I can't accept the story of Western education as the great liberator when I know how often – in the US and around the world – it was and is a weapon of power elites in what amounts to gender, class, and cultural warfare – to say nothing of the imposition on children by adults. In order for formal education to enlarge people's thinking and set them on new paths, it cannot uphold a picture of reality that tells everyone who has and who lacks – and who matter." How can formal educaition incorporate a desire-based approach

When we bring our educational ideas to other countries, we also bring our educational problems with it. After working on with a professor last year on a project about Zambian schools and working at a school in Spain while abroad, I see how education can be vastly different in other countries and how easy it is for us to believe that US education is inherently superior. How do we not take this approach? How do we maintain a desire-based framework around seeing international education? How do we "help" international schools without simply imposing our Western ideas?

 

 

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Love your idea about western education as the only type of education and by thinking this we restrict other informal education. I think of the ways in which testing only tests what elite people think should be tested. Even the SAT said to be the “great equalizer” tests what is sanctioned by elites with certain experiences and certain capital. Even within the education system here there are hierarchies and I wonder how taking your idea of desire based framework internationally could also apply to all the different people here in the states.

alesnick's picture

work to invalidate the histories of people not reflected in it?  I appreciate this question about what happens when my colleagues in Ghana say they are accepting Western education as the way to liberation: "Are they taking a deficit-based approach to seeing their own history and culture of education?"  I try to answer that question from the perspective of tullum: that while this is certainly a threat, it is not necessary.  What do you think?

cliobodie's picture

I really connected with the ideas in the “Education Is Life Itself” piece, as it spoke to many of the theories by Freire and Dewey that resonated with me last semester in Critical Issues.  I agree that learning should be a life long process that is not bound solely to the limitations of the formal classroom.  I think one way to be empowered as learners is to be open to all opportunities to learn, which is emphasized in this piece through the idea of education as a way of living.  If we view all experiences, both positive and difficult, as learning opportunities, then we will be continually growing as thinkers and people.  One metaphor from the piece that stuck out to me was the notion that “an elephant does not prepare to become an elephant”(11), just as a person does not have to prepare to be able to learn- they learn in the act of being.

Another point that I found very powerful in the piece was the critiques of a “preparation-driven curricula”(14).  I agree that it is problematic to have students learning information that does not seem relevant or applicable to their lives under the guise that they need to trust the authority figure telling them that someday it will be useful.  How can knowledge be expected to be grown and built collaboratively in a classroom when the students are not able to engage with what they are being taught?  I think preparation-driven curricula is inherently disempowering when students are told they must learn something without even understanding why.  In this scenario, teaching becomes a one-way street, when instead it should be a cooperative give and take.

Finally, I really appreciated the notion that, “just as students should feel a sense of exciting if somewhat unknown potential in formal education classrooms, so should their teachers”(17).  I fully agree that the classroom should be a place of excitement and wonder, a place where knowledge can grow in a positive way.  I think it is impossible for a classroom to be this exciting and magical place if the teacher does not see it as such, because students will respond off of the energy of the teacher, and that sort of enthusiasm and belief cannot be faked.

 

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I really connected to your second point. I think that most everyone can agree that teaching should be a two way street in any context, whether in or outside the classroom. I think Healing Presence really spoke this fact in the way that we should view everyone as a whole person and that being a Healing Presence does not mean just giving. I wonder how much of this power structure of pupil and teacher is drawn from the fact that society as a whole does not view children as whole persons. In another class we spoke about how for the most part we either see children as a being (i.e. a child who is only capable of child like concepts) or as becomings (i.e. a halfway adult who needs to prepare for the world). The article addresses the second idea. But we need to acknowledge that no child is even just a being or a becoming, just the same as any adult. We all strive to both live in the present but also push forward. If we see the whole image of children, and all people we can help end this dichotomy.

maddyb's picture

The readings for this week made me think about collaborative vs. individual learning. In my placement there is a constant feel that learning is done to turn something in and receive a grade. When we try to push for conversations, they often revert to individual work. I believe the two readings for this week are advocating for learning to be done informally and through collaboration, while not getting rid of the “formal school”. Just the question”what is possible between us” asks us to consider education as outside of oneself or our own understanding the the world. I find the most empowerment coming out of somewhat “risky” or uncomfortable interactions with others. For example, when the students were being called “siliminga” or conversations about race, class, privilege etc. take place. The “temporary bridge” example acts a way to see collaborative learning and facilitation as not “permanent”  but two sides connected in exchange. In addition, the quote “teaching isn’t telling, it’s learning” resonates so strongly with my placement. I question how we can begin to break students out of the notion of the passive student when the are comfortable being one? How can we create a learning environment in one so “top down” with permanent steel bridges between student and teacher? I question how the formal system could be “more informal”?

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I also wonder how it could be more informal. The system includes many formal assesments to check whether the typical type of learning is happening. How can we have informal learning in a world of standardized tests. I really liked your comment about the "permanent steel bridges" between student and teacher. How can these bridges be two way when a teacher grades a student, thus always having a "top down" relationship of power? Does the system need to change first, or can we make changes within the system?

alesnick's picture

I appreciate this thread. I think we can definitely make changes within the system . . . Maybe we need to take a desire-based view EVEN of destructive systems . . . because don't we really have to be in the system (broadly defined) to change it?  I'm trying out this idea . . . not sure if I commit to it yet :)

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This is sort of moving away from making things more informal, but your comment about how teachers grade students made me think about how some schools are implementing students' evaluation surveys of their teachers. This in some ways allows the students to "grade" their teachers. In my view, this is not really the two-way bridge we want to form, but do you fear that this might be an interpretation? In other words, is it empowering for students to have this power or does it just create more barriers? We're looking for less paperwork here and more interaction, right?

Kirsten Adams's picture

Eve Tuck's call for desire-based approaches was in my mind the entire time was I reading Hopeful Impossibility. I was fascinated and inspired by the term "tullum", discussed in a paper by Atia Apusigah. She writes, "it becomes possible to redefine the self in ways that foster the reclamation of lost identities and forging of new ones." To me, tullum is the embodiment of a desire-based mindset. Eve Tuck is sure to point out that using a desire-based approach does not mean that we ignore, forget, or gloss of the bad, the difficult, or the challening, but that instead, we use this to push us forward. Apusigah writes further that tullum, "offers opportunity for turning bad or difficult situations around; an opportunity for demonstrating creative abilities and potentials." It acts as a bridge between our past and our future, our struggles and our hopes, our desires and our motivations.

Tullum and thus a desire-based framework are what we need to push forward when we face difficulties, and even when we don't, so that we avoid letting damage-based criticism, critiques, challenges, and struggles define who we are and prevent us from moving forward. Alice asks eariler in Hopeful Impossibility how we validate a critic's voice without letting it be the end of the conversation. I believe by using tullum and desire based frameworks we can listen to critiques while using them to inform our next steps, instead of restricting our present ones. Alice illustrates the concept beautifully when she writes, "In tullum, then, there is an indication of what is possible: a discipline of hope and risk grounded in but not dominated by restriction".

I finished the article wondering if there is an English equivilent to tullum. "Challenge" and "resourcefulness" were too simple for such an immense and powerful concept, but can there be a translation? Further, I wonder if there even needs to be. We don't need the word to be in English to use it in our lives and work, or to understand the power and hope it represents.

Grace's picture

The section I connected to most strongly was "science education as a conversation." This text below especially stuck out:

In this particular year, the course started out very well, with lots of student
engagement. And then came the first midterm. I had, of course, tried to make the exam a
learning experience, one that required students to be thoughtful rather than to regurgitate
information or perspectives. But it was, nonetheless and inevitably, an “examination,” a
context where students felt, entirely appropriately, that what they had to say was being
judged by me, rather than being the continuation of a conversation from which they (and
I) could learn. Not at all unreasonably, the students felt betrayed.

The use of the word "betrayed" hit home for me. I know for me personally, when I have a relationship with a teacher, it is so much easier for me to learn. Knowing that there is mutual trust and respect between us empowers me to be a better learner.

I also love the idea of getting rid of exams, or at least exams in the traditional sense. Exams seem to set up a strict power dynamic, where one person knows all the answers and holds more power, and the other (the learner) is stuck learning what that person deems as important. I liked how the text pointed out that this revised approach to education "positions me as a co-learner, co-inquirer with my students." This is a power dynamic I'm okay with!

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I was mostly fascinated by the piece "Hopeful Impossibility." Throughout the piece, Alice mentions various spaces where there seems to be a divide - a divide between learning and teaching, a divide between language, a divide between physical space, divides in classrooms and schools, divides in power, opportunity, access - the list goes on. This notion of bridging the divide is a hopeful one, and it brings to mind a piece we read in multicultural education by Kromidas, "Elementary Forms of Cosmopolitanism: Blood, Birth, and Bodies in Immigrant New York City." In this piece, Kromidas spends a lot of time with children who engage in a series of process that aim to bridge the gaps/divide across the multicultural backgrounds of the various students. One thing that she explores in great detail is the authenticity of this bridging. I'm wondering how we can ensure we are being authentic in our bridging? What if we aim for authenticity, but we fail and in turn only increase the divides? I think Alice would hope that dialogue/conversation can create authenticity in bridging divides. What about when there are barriers that are harder to bridge? Such as language, which is deeply embedded with issues of hierarchy, power, and privilege? Alice wants to explore the possibility that difference does not have to create barriers.How can we do this? Is a statement like this or an exploration like this only emphasizing the notion that teachers are idealist? Where does a conversation about "help" fit in here?

dpreziuso's picture

I thought a lot about why temporary bridges would come to an end, but I love your consideration of authentic bridging and the divide that often leads to needing them.  It makes me wonder why certain bridges are built.  I feel like some of the unintentional connections that are made between individuals create some of the most valuable bridges, lending themselves to a wonderful exchange.  Are these types of bridges difficult to come by when the divide between two people is large?  Are these bridges even more fragile because of the distance they must span to reach land again?

alesnick's picture

I appreciate these questions.  I agree that authenticity itself is not guarantee of communication.  A necessary but not a sufficient cause, eh? There are definitely barriers hard to bridge, and reasons people hold for not bridging them.  I thnk it's a necessarily slow, choppy, uncertain, and incomplete process, which is often at odds with the structures and discourses that dominate discussion of it.

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"Of course, teaching isn't telling; it's learning. And learning is participation - not the acquisition of facts, concepts, skills but their use and their creation" (Hopeful Impossibility)

I really love the idea of knowledge flowing between the teacher and student - rather than the conventional one-way street. It reaffirms rule #6 of being a healing presence - to accept the gifts that come. Teachers have so much to learn from their students - including how to interact with other students. It also doesn't have to just be between the student and teacher - collaborative learning is a great learning method between peers, or teachers collaborating to best reach their students. "Interactions with other organisms, both like themselves and different from themselves, are simultaneously contraints and scaffoldings for new directions of exploration". It is necessary for people to interact when learning.

I have especially seen this in my placement - during the Organization lab, students interact with their environment to discover issues in the community that they can help fix. After, they work together with their teacher to put together a practical solution. Without the help of their peers, this extent of change would not be possible. In a way, each project they complete is its own social movement.

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I agree that the idea of knowledge flowing between teacher and student is a great one. Your comment made me think of our talk with Margo Shall and the way she described her experiences teaching. It seemed clear that she, herself, believes in this knowledge flowing, but feels a lot of pressure from her school to improve her students' test scores. She also spoke about the culture of fear at her school that was so apparent in teachers, students, parents and administrators. It seems that this "conventional one-way street" approach to teaching (where knowledge is passed down from teacher to student only) comes about in situations where there is this culture of fear. People become afraid of taking the risk of allowing knowledge to flow freely through collaboration, and the one-way model (which often involves teaching to the test) is seen as the "safe option." I think this example might suggest that a partial solution to the problems schools today face is to get rid of the notion that the best response to fear is to avoid all risk.

alesnick's picture

And this in turn reminds me of Mrs. DeKerillis saying that if you want to be a teacher, you need to have courage!

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I really love the idea of teaching as learning as well! In my placement, the teachers refer to their students as "friends" and it breaks the power dynamic that teachers have over students. It welcomes the idea of knowledge flowing between the teacher and the student. The teachers phrase everything in a question, allowing students to believe that their opinions are valid. Through this, the teacher learns so much about the students, their behaviors, and personalities.

In Hopeful Impossibility, Alice states " I write from a position of intense privilege based in my social locations as a white, middle class American academic.....United States." (2) I really appreciate that there is acknowledgement of her privilege, and despite this there is still collaboration between her and the Ghanians. Through this collaboration, learning is not a one way street, rather both people are learning from each other. I think that this is very important and through this, desire-based framework is formed.

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In Alice’s article there was one part that stood out to me, when I went and re did the readings after the talk we had this morning. This idea subsistence, I thought was very in rightful. During our talk we thought about how society interplays with schools, and in her article she says ”Yes, it can mean to exist with the minimum needed to maintain life. But it can also mean to exist, period. Even in my school lessons, I could gather that it meant something like self-sufficiency, though this kind of self-sufficiency looked like a default, not a desire. Capitalism doesn’t want us too self-sufficient, after all. Subsistence, then, means something whole and it means barely enough.” (Pg.  12-13) I talked in my paper about how capitalism was designed to create winner and losers, and how Marxist sociologist Spitzer see’s the working class as divided into those who have stabilized and those who have not stabilized under capitalism. But now when I think about subsistence, I think about how that may play in within these two roles, for does the common narrative not often look down upon those in the working class and see them as if they are subsisting, not stabilized. Like the substance farmers, do we not look at factor workers as though their jobs are less than the doctor or the lawyer. 

alesnick's picture

Great connections across papers and discussions.  What would it be like if all high school students learned some of this basic social theory?

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One of the things that stood out most to me in “Hopeful Impossibility” was when a Ghanian states, “Before now we had negative beliefs about Western education. Now the story is different and we have accepted formal education as the way out of poverty and liberation.” This stood out to me because of the very facts that Alice mentions, which is that Western education is not the great liberator because it has so much inequality within race, class, gender, and cultural welfare. This comment reminds me of the desire-based framework. They desire to be like the West because they believe that it will liberate them from poverty, but they do not see the whole picture. They are only looking at the positive, but not the damage as well, because they do not know of the damage. The ways of the West are portrayed to be picture perfect in Africa. It reminded me of when I went abroad to South Africa and the cab drivers would hear my accent and try to charge me more money because they believed that all Americans were rich. Not only are non-Africans ignorant to African history as the paper mentioned, but also Africans are also ignorant to American history and way of life. Even though South Africa, and Ghana greatly differ, I see many of the things that I read about Ghana echoed in the townships of Cape Town, South Africa. In South Africa, many of the black students did not know anything about slavery, and I was totally shocked. Ghana’s coast was one of the biggest ports for transatlantic slave trade. One of the things that Alice mentions in the article is “teaching isn’t telling; it’s learning” and this is done through direct collaboration. In order to have successful collaboration, I believe that trust needs to be built. Maybe by educating each other this can be done. I know that struggle often connects people together, so maybe discussing slavery in both the US and African context and how both places have gotten through it can be a conversation to have, so that Africans do not look at the West as picture perfect and Americans don’t look at African as broken. As discussed in class, trust is also a way of empowering learners. I am very interested to know how has trust been built between Africans and Americans? What steps are taken so that non- Africans are looking at Ghana as whole and not broken?

alesnick's picture

This is such a rich post, with much for me to mull, learn with/from.  Trust is vital.  I wonder if this could become a focus for one of our class workshops.  Trust depends on believing that the other person/group is whole and will respect one/us as whole . . . not broken, as you say.

Kieres's picture

In Hopeful Impossibility the Another Development Dance section really struck me. Alice's openness about her privilege and how that affects how she interacts and connects with her colleagues in Ghana was interesting. I really appreciated her line about being "vigilant in tracing my complicity with histories and institutions that benefit me by, not only while, harming my Ghanian colleagues," (pg 7). This sensitivity is so important in work with people who, as learners of desire based thinking we acknowledge, are equals but not in an economic way. It is refreshing to hear someone working within a community that they are aware of the structures that have placed white people above others living there. Alice's truth about this topic is important because as a white woman who only within the past few years became aware of her own racial and economic privilege I have found it difficult to navigate post these realizations. I understand that the onus is on me to educate myself on the powers that have put white western culture on the current basis it is now. But Alice's acknowledgement of her own education is a very important step beyond just realizing one has privilege. If I had not came to Bryn Mawr I am not sure I would have been as aware of my own privilege as I am now. But simply knowing one has privilege is not the end. Alice is able to show how it can be a fine line of trying to change structures through critique and also supporting them. But she talks about the risk that comes with trying to affect change. I hope we all take this as a lesson to not leave our readings/class discussions at the door. We are now versed in Tuck's desired based thinking and the wisdom that comes from desire based thinking should not be limited just to the classroom. I believe the variety in our placements helps illustrate the point that what we are learning is not just applicable to those of us who will go on to teach in a classic sense. But we can all use our lessons to educate those around us.

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I thought I'd take this opportunity to offer some tidbits that Gwendolyn, Alice, and I talked about during our virtual discussion today. A lot of our discussion focused on the "white industrial savior complex" (Hopeful Impossibility 1) (which I think also ties into Freire's rejection of "neoliberalism"). We touched on how there might be an uncomfortable white savior complex between a prodominantly low-income African-American community and a middle-class White teacher. While I have heard anecdotes that might hint to this, in my placement I do not witness this. Might this even be applicable to the senior center where young age can be viewed as a privledge?

We also touched on how white industrial savior complex can be perpetuated by an overly PC environment. In other words, we should embrace ignorance rather than shun it and risk the possibility that it is never questioned. How might we "deal" with these possibly uncomfortable moments in a genuine way? Is there a systematic way to reduce white instrustrial savior complex among privledged communities? If so, how?

EmpoweredLearner's picture

Education is Life Itself made think so much about my high school experience. Being in honors and AP courses I was constantly expected to memorize formulas and ideas rather than really understand them or even question their importance. When you wrote, "The upshot is that even students who can be persuaded to take seriously the curriculum as offered can
frequently display mastery on examinations but the impact of the learning experiences is
both transient and highly context-dependent: “in one ear and out the other” with little
transfer to other classes, much less to other life situations. ", I thought about how little connection was made between what we learned in one class and what we learned in another. It seemed as if each course/ subject had no relevance to our lives nor other courses/subjects. It also bred this idea that students felt they were really great in one or two subjects but could never be good in others because they were so far from each other. I feel like the larger context of what we were learning was completely removed and it was further emphasized by speeches made about how different the "real world" is. I think it's interesting how the concept of academia not being the "real world" is emphasized within some of my classes even at Bryn Mawr. The classes that this idea is not supported is within education courses where praxis provides a context for what we are learning. I think this essay really connected to our course due to it's emphasis on how learning should be creative and applicable to life and the concerns of the student as well as provide them with a basis for whatever they pursue in life which is every changing which is very empowering.

EmpoweredJP's picture

While I recognize the downsides of the current formal education, sometimes I think that we consider formal education and creative learning as distinct binaries and as a result regard the former as detrimental to a ‘holistic education’. However, even a highly structured formal education fosters problem-solving skills, time management and multi-tasking skills, just to name a few, which are life-long skills that are transferable to the work life as well. While the subject matter itself may not have a direct relevance to the students’ lives later on, people continue to learn something new and being able to comprehend and apply new material is an essential skill set. Having students realize this may empower them to think about formal education as a useful tool rather than an end in itself. Nonetheless, the benefits of creative learning must also be continually sought after by teachers so that students’ creativity is enhanced instead of stifled by education.

EmpoweredJP's picture

The explanation of the author’s background to the material was really helpful in my understanding of the material, and it was also easier to see exactly how the topic can be of personal relevance/significance to someone. It also puts her discussion into a clearer perspective, as we are able to see where she is coming from and hence this lends authenticity to the discourse. An incident at my field placement reinforced the benefits of sharing one’s experience and background in order to better engage the audience. A fellow student from another class was giving a presentation to the senior citizens at the community center. When she posed a question about the material to them, however, they inquired about her personal relation to the topic first and got a sense of who she was and how her past experience was linked to the topic before they were willing to engage with the material of the presentation. Reflecting on this experience while going through the reading made me realize how much people consider a personal connection to be important in order to consider the views of others, and this also led me to wonder how the conflict between the need for teachers to build more personal relationships with their students and the opportunity cost of time that may be spent on other academic or administrative needs that require more urgent attention could be resolved.

alesnick's picture

I am struck by how many of you appreciate my self-situating moves in the paper. I wonder why this stood out, given how normal it is to me to do it.

Maybe it's connected to how much testing many of you were subjected to when younger . . . and an affiliated imposed assumption that knowledge is always or best considered impersonal?