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Working Group

Summer 2010

Three Bryn Mawr undergraduates, jpfeiffer, teal, and kgould,  will be spending the summer working with Paul Grobstein and Wil Franklin to explore conceptual and practical issues having to do with brain structure and function in relation to social and cultural organization.  Among the issues to be considered are the relations between unconscious and conscious processes, between subjectivity and objectivity, and between individual and shared understandings.  In addition to reading, thinking, and writing about these issues in their own right, the group will be developing materials for a workshop in this area for K-12 teachers and using that arena to reflect further on their significance in the practical contexts of science education, inquiry-based education, and education generally. Others are invited to follow the conversations and creations of the working group via links from this page, and to add their own thoughts in the public form area below.  

A method: open-ended transactional inquiry, open-ended co-construction

A place of generative exchange

Starting points: some personal experiences with education/science education:

(write comments on each of the four papers, write a brief reaction to the four, write a story of a relevant experience of your own)

Themes

 

"Science brain"/"English brain": conscious/unconscious?

Social organization, categories and stereotypes, classroom dynamics

Brain and education

Modelling resouces

Ongoing work/projects (see also forum below):

 

 

 

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Disassembling The Scientific Method

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On the biology listserv, the subject of "scientific method" was discussed. Along the way, hypothesis came into the discussion. The responses have been very enlightening and sometimes contradictory. I would like to open this subject up to more discussion on this listserv if you would care to commment (for those of you who subscribe to multiple lists, I apologize).
 
What exactly is a hypothesis?
 
Should scientific inquiries always have one stated?
 
Should the hypothesis be stated in an "If.. then..." statement?
 
Should a hypothesis include a "because".... as well?
 
How do we get away from implying causation or when should it be implied?
 
If anyone has further questions on this or can phrase these in a better way, please go ahead.
 
 I teach at a school for K-8. I would really like to have our students have a good concept of scientific inquiry that will carry them beyond our school into their further learning.
 
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of you who reply to these. Your comments and suggestions have been invaluable to me - within days of reading them, I am applying them in my classroom. On behalf of myself and my students, I send you a very heartfelt thank you.
 
Robin Wooten
Holy Trinity School
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MATTHEW WELLS

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Great topic.

I wish we could stop using the phrase "scientific method"!

There are many types of legitimate scientific investigation, and not all of them require the isolation of variables, or the stating of hypotheses (is that the plural?).

"Descriptive" investigations are as their name suggests, and don't necessarily require a formal hypothesis.
"Comparative" investigations may investigate relationships between variables, and require some kind of null hypothesis (although not necessarily a "control group")
"Experimental" investigations are the more typical, traditional type that we used to call "the scientific method", where a hypothesis is essential to the design of the experiment.

When it comes to hypotheses, I always keep it simple with the following definition:

"A hypothesis is a scientifically testable statement"

I have found that this "catch-all" definition allows for a wide variety of legitimate expressions.

Matt Wells
Science Dept. Chair
http://mattwells.wikispaces.com
Cypress Lakes HS
5750 Greenhouse
Katy TX 77449
Cell: (281) 799-0542


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On the biology listserv, the subject of "scientific method" was discussed.
Along the way, hypothesis came into the discussion. The responses have been
 very enlightening and sometimes contradictory. I would like to open  this
subject up to more discussion on this listserv if you would care  to
commment (for those of you who subscribe to multiple lists, I  apologize).

What exactly is a hypothesis?

Should scientific inquiries always have one stated?

Should the hypothesis be stated in an "If.. then..." statement?

Should a hypothesis include a "because".... as well?

How do we get away from implying causation or when should it be  implied?

If anyone has further questions on this or can phrase these in a better
way, please go ahead.

 I teach at a school for K-8. I would really like to have our students
have a good concept of scientific inquiry that will carry them beyond our
school  into their further learning.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of
you who reply to these. Your comments and suggestions have been invaluable to
me  - within days of reading them, I am applying them in my classroom. On
behalf of  myself and my students, I send you a very heartfelt thank you.

Robin Wooten
Holy Trinity School
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Don Abel

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yep, I agree with matt and we should also get rid of the generalization about PHEOC as the scientific method.  PHEOC to me is how you complete a lab write up and not how you do science.  KUDOS.

Don Abel, Jr.
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D.C. Everest Middle School
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[NSTA Environmental Science]
Great topic.

I wish we could stop using the phrase "scientific method"!

There are many types of legitimate scientific investigation, and not all of them require the isolation of variables, or the stating of hypotheses (is that the plural?).

"Descriptive" investigations are as their name suggests, and don't necessarily require a formal hypothesis.
"Comparative" investigations may investigate relationships between variables, and require some kind of null hypothesis (although not necessarily a "control group")
"Experimental" investigations are the more typical, traditional type that we used to call "the scientific method", where a hypothesis is essential to the design of the experiment.

When it comes to hypotheses, I always keep it simple with the following definition:

"A hypothesis is a scientifically testable statement"

I have found that this "catch-all" definition allows for a wide variety of legitimate expressions.

Matt Wells
Science Dept. Chair
http://mattwells.wikispaces.com
Cypress Lakes HS
5750 Greenhouse
Katy TX 77449
Cell: (281) 799-0542


>>> <Rob0bops@aol.com> 9/10/2010 1:48 PM >>>
On the biology listserv, the subject of "scientific method" was discussed.
Along the way, hypothesis came into the discussion. The responses have been
 very enlightening and sometimes contradictory. I would like to open  this
subject up to more discussion on this listserv if you would care  to
commment (for those of you who subscribe to multiple lists, I  apologize).

What exactly is a hypothesis?

Should scientific inquiries always have one stated?

Should the hypothesis be stated in an "If.. then..." statement?

Should a hypothesis include a "because".... as well?

How do we get away from implying causation or when should it be  implied?

If anyone has further questions on this or can phrase these in a better
way, please go ahead.

 I teach at a school for K-8. I would really like to have our students
have a good concept of scientific inquiry that will carry them beyond our
school  into their further learning.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of
you who reply to these. Your comments and suggestions have been invaluable to
me  - within days of reading them, I am applying them in my classroom. On
behalf of  myself and my students, I send you a very heartfelt thank you.

Robin Wooten
Holy Trinity School


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David Smith

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Hypotheses are perhaps the most misunderstood part of science in K-12 science teaching.  A hypothesis is, at its essence, an explanatory statement.  It is NOT an "educated guess" or a guess of any kind, although this is what it often becomes when teachers ask students without sufficient depth of knowledge to formulate a hypothesis.  It is also distinct from predictions, which are a statement of what will happen if certain conditions are met.

 

 "Table salt will melt ice faster than sugar" is a guess, not a hypothesis, because there is no explanation.  "I know that adding a soluble material to water causes freezing point depression, so sugar, table salt, and epsom salt should all melt ice at -5 C" is a hypothesis because it offers a mechanism to explain the expected results.  It may be an incorrect explanation, but hypotheses are necessarily tentatively held and subject to refutation. 

 

The hypothesis is only a required part of an investigation in school books.  Plenty of science inquiry can be conducted, and often needs to be conducted in the absence of a hypothesis.  Hypotheses, because they are explanatory, require a lot of information before they can be formulated.  That information comes from investigations that are not hypothesis-driven.  Most school labs are not hypothesis driven either, which is why, when students are asked to write hypotheses, they produce such bad ones and they fail to learn what a hypothesis really is.  Take the distillation of wood lab that I did at the beginning of high school chemistry some decades ago - in order to offer a reasonable hypothesis for the origin of the methanol we produced, I would have had to know a great deal of organic/biochemistry.  It's not that one couldn't offer a reasonably formulated hypothesis for the conditions under which thermal decomposition of cellulose would yield methanol, but that we, as beginning students, did not have nearly enough knowledge to do so.

 

Requiring if...then... statements is problematic.  Some hypotheses may take this form, but I could write hypotheses all day that are not if...then... or even if..then..because... statements.  If... then.. format also leads to confusion with predictions, which very often take an if... then... form.  Students should learn to write and understand a diversity of forms and creativity of expression should never be inhibited provided the statement remains a hypothesis.  That said, it may be helpful to offer a struggling student a form as a scaffold (but far too often, we give students a scaffold before they need one, just because someone last year needed it and it would be so much more efficient just to give it to them - efficient, yes, effective, no).  Here is a possible scaffold:

 

I know that _(independent variable)_ affects __(dependent variable)__ by _(action)_ (cite background research).  Therefore, when __(experimental condition)__, the __(dependent variable)__ will __(change expected)__ when compared to the __(control condition)__.

 

For example (with thanks to Robert Krampf, from who I got this example),  I might write:

 

I know that enzymes affect proteins by breaking them down (research cited).  Therefore, when protein based stains are washed in an enzyme-containing detergent, the stain will be removed more thoroughly when compared to the same stains washed in a non-enzyme detergent.

 

I could write it more felicitously if I weren't trying to stay in the form, but it will give students a guide. 

 

Hypotheses can and often do imply a causal link - the enzymes in the detergent break down the material of the stain causing it to be more effective.  The danger comes in making the same leap in the interpretation.  A positive result TENDS TO SUPPORT your hypothesis, it does not prove it!  Hypotheses can never actually be proven true.  They can however be proven false.  This is hard for students to understand, in part because they are surrounded by teaching and materials that present scientific understandings as Truth, and in part because it is simply a challenging idea that something can be well-known without being known for sure.

 

There's a great resource for all of this called Understanding Science at

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/

  Their descriptions of the process and methods of science are as accurate as anything i have ever read. 

 

Dave Smith, long-time scientist, turned professional developer

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Scientific American

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Great Blog site

I found a really great blog online titled "LFE"

I am posting two entries for the 2010 BBSE participants:

 

First Entry

Sunday, September 20, 2009

Inquiry-Based Learning

 

Inquiry-based learning, its a method capable of reaching into the depths of the mind. It questions what is it that "I" know and how do "I" know what "I" know. Inquiry-based learning is a form of teaching knowledge. It is a free format used by teachers and students to form their own views using the questioning technique to be applied to everything that it is being taught. The technique of inquiring what we know and the technique to think further to what we want to find out. This type of thinking can lead us into unlocking hidden treasures of our universe. Several fundamentals should be applied, they are known as the "ten rational powers": recalling and imagining; classifying and generalizing; comparing and evaluating; analyzing and synthesizing; and deducing and inferring when studying the path of self-questioning.
Students are encourage to apply their critical thinking skills to question what is the meaning of what it is being learned. It is known that self-initiated questioning, should begin to be taught in schools from the lower grades. In 1961 inquiry-based learning was implemented to all grades after the Educational Policies Commission suggested the need for it. They stated that American Education must develop its education by applying the fundamentals called the"ten rational powers". These "ten rational powers" were implemented in the fifties, when the United States government was in a race with Russia's technological and military advancements. The educational board promoted students to think creatively in the search of how to solve problems. Later, in the sixties, the so-called alphabet soup curricula were pushed in the schools (BSCS, CHEM, SCIS, ESS, PSSC). This was an interesting period to use inquiry-based learning, nevertheless it was a very good time for inquiry-based learning to be introduced in the schools for the availability to be used by the masses that were exposed to other way of thinking and it brought the experience for the students to explore their consciousness. Today's education system, is based on a report that was made by President Ronald Reagan called "A Nation At Risk" in 1983 after the American education was viewed to rank below the rest of the world. Currently, our schools priority is to apply reasoning instead of promoting critical thinking and creative process. We can only hope to brake these walls of reasoning and allow our mind to explore into the abyss of discovery.
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New National Science Standards are in the works:


“We need your input!

On July 12th, the Board on Science Education at the National Research Council released a draft of a conceptual framework to guide the development of next generation standards for K-12 science education. The framework describes in broad terms the core ideas in science and engineering that students should understand and be able to apply, and the progression of ideas students need to experience in order to comprehend them. We are seeking comments on the draft from the science  and education communities and the public.

The comment period will run from July 12 through August 2. Individuals can read the draft online and submit comments via an online survey at www7.nationalacademies.org/bose/Standards_Framework_Homepage.html

During the public comment period, the National Research Council is also partnering with the National Science Teachers Association, American Association for the Advancement of Science, Achieve, and the Council of State Science Supervisors to solicit feedback through meetings and focus groups.

The framework will be revised based on the input received and a final version will be released in early 2011. The nonprofit education group Achieve will use the final framework in working with a group of state leaders to develop new K-12 science education standards, which explain what students should learn in detail.  The framework is also intended to be useful to others who work in science education -- curriculum designers and assessment developers, state and district science administrators, and teacher educators.
We hope that you will take the time to give us feedback. Your input will provide the committee with important information about where the framework needs to be improved or clarified.

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"Loopy" Science met with Opposition from...Scientists?

I knew the mini-lecture given by Professor Grobstein this past Friday to a group of student researchers at Bryn Mawr College was going to be interesting, but I didn't expect it to be so controversial.  Paul invited the students present (not many, only about 15) to participate in an open-ended dialogue about traditional, linear science vs. "loopy" science, a field with anything but definite answers and the acceptance that absolute "truth" is not attainable and therefore non-existent.  Many of the students agreed with him when he said the traditional scientific method is too restricted to allow full discovery because it relies on conclusions that, once reached, are accepted and not questioned further.  They also agreed when he discussed ways in which science can become more "open" by treating it as an ongoing process based on the observations of all, not just the "hard facts" that are "proven" by a few.  

However, the agreement stopped there.  Quickly the students in the audience became defensive when told that the research they are conducting--"hard" research dealing with chemistry, biology, physics, etc.--will not culminate in "truth."  Their projects, the hours of hard work that they have poured into their collection and analysis of data, will not end in an answer that can be considered "the last word."  One student, a chemistry researcher, argued that the process by which she mixes prescribed chemicals in the same proportions every day, always getting the same results, is truth because of its consistency.  When she was told that "truth" as she described it can never actually be attained because it would require infinite proof of consistency.  The sun rises every day, and we take this to be "true."  But just because the sun has risen every day without fail does not mean that the possibility of it not rising tomorrow is not there.  And if it were to not rise tomorrow, well our preconceived notions about the rising sun as "truth" would be shattered; if those chemicals that the student mixes were to one day yield a completely different result, her notion of chemical "truth" would be majorly challenged.  And so, because infinite consistency cannot possibly be measured, we can never know absolute "truth."  While results that are repeatable are useful, they should not be considered final.

It was almost as if the student researchers could not see past their current work and into the the future of scientific inquiry that we've been exloring so far this summer.  As Paul said in an earlier meeting, this new view of science as something open and co-constructed is met with opposition because "people don't want to be deprived of certainty and authority."  We are scared of what we do not understand, of what is new and unusual. 

What was even more interesting was the interaction that took place in a neighboring conference room after the lecture, where my two colleagues and I gathered with the other student researchers to talk about the lecture over pizza.  It was clear that not many of the other students took what Paul had to say seriously, even though they had agreed with his "new" definition of the scientific method as something more flexible than that of traditional science.  Their incredulity quickly filtered down to me, Jenna and Kate.

"So, what exactly are you doing again?"

We explained once more our research efforts, including our work with Serendip and how we were making connections between the brain, science and education.

"...But are you doing anything?"

And so, it seems, thought is not considered a true scientific endeavor by those heavily steeped in the world of chemicals and glassware.  Why, I don't know.  Thought is the basis for all scientific action.  What scientific discovery would have been possible without the bright idea of one, or the collaborative efforts of many?  Even scientists must "think before they act."  The disrespect and closed-mindedness of the student researchers was sad not only because of its personal implications but because it demonstrated a lack of acceptance of the "new" scientific method they had supported minutes prior.  The process of thought is parallel to that of scientific work--both involve exploration through experimentation and a revision of prior ideas.  Just because one takes place in the brain and the other takes place in a lab does not mean the former should be discounted or considered any less important to the progress of humanity.

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Some more relevant readings for the summer institute

Re bird brains and its relevance to humans/education, see How Babies Think

Re open-ended co-construction, see Notes on Dialogue. 

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Raising Kids like Cavemen...

Interesting discussion this morning with Wil about a variety of subjects, thought I would post some of them here.

So primitive man must have been doing something right because, well, we're here now and surviving. So what does it mean when we use "primitive" or Caveman logic in our day to day life? Raising our kids in the way we envision cavemen would have?...

Caveman Logic (book), Caveman Logic (site)

[The author, Hank Davis, is a professor of psychology at the University of Guelph in Canada and has a blog here.]

The idea is that we were, and are now, wired to create "narratives," stories that help us survive. Finding "cause" and "effect" was an effective means of survival: fire + hand = ouch; lion + me = big ouch; blue fruit = food, red fruit = stomach cramps. In an article on supernatural science, here, author Robert Roy Britt writes:

"'While it is difficult to know for certain, the tendency to believe in the paranormal appears to be there from the beginning', explained Christopher Bader, a Baylor sociologist and colleague of Mencken. 'What changes is the content of the paranormal. For example, very few people believe in faeries and elves these days. But as belief in faeries faded, other beliefs, such as belief in UFOs, emerged to take their place'.

Figuring out why people are this way is a little trickier.

'It is an artifact of our brain's desire to find cause and effect', Cronk, the psychology professor, said in an email interview. 'That ability to predict the future is what makes humans "smart" but it also has side effects like superstitions [and] belief in the paranormal'."

Humans started believing in the supernatural because the stories they constructed, the sun rising and setting everyday because a god pulled it by chariot across the sky, were just as good as any at the time. Our need to know "why?" is a means for our minds to make sense of the world-- and thereby construct a means of surviving in it. We're natural born storytellers; it's hard-wired into our brains.

So what does that mean for education? Should we guide kids to construct their own narratives in the path of our ancestors? Or should we urge them to deny the hard-wired tendancy for the supernatural? What value does believing in the supernatural have and is it dangerous or "wrong" to believe in it?

Wil spoke of how it all seems to come back to "control," that is, by constructing a narrative (even if it is supernatural or false) gives us a sense of what we can do to avoid misfortune. Control is important to humans, makes us calm, gives us peace-of-mind. If a god pulls the sun across the sky, and the sun makes the crops grow, then by providing offerings for that god, we can gain his favor. We can "control" the sun's behavior in this way, ensuring that it rises and sets every day as it should, despite the fact that we know, now, that nothing we do affects the orbit of the earth around the sun and the rotation of the earth itself.

In the classroom, giving kids the "control" to construct narratives based off of hard evidence, might be an interesting way to go about science and other subjects.

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BSECI 11 June

Interesting discussion of "categorization," in general and in re humans and sex/gender (see NPR interview with Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore).  Brains inevitably categorize; the problem isn't that but the presumption that all characteristics covary reliably with the category and the assocation with the category of a normative judgement (see Deconstructing and reconstructing cultures and individuals) based on a preference for commonality/similarity (see end of Culture, brain, science, education: mtg thoughts).   Its interesting indeed to think more about categorization, how to help people understand both both its virtues and its problems, and how to perhaps better make use of classroom diversity (from Culture: "we should wholeheartedly embrace difference as the substrate for bringing new things into existence, and so not only welcome it at the outset but encourage its continuing development?").  

Interesting discussion too about Sudoku, games in general.  Why are some people "addicts," others turned off by games?  How could we deal with that in classrooms if we want to use games?  Should the point of playing games be to learn skills, to develop metacognitive awareness, simply to relax?  If we intend the second, what's the impact for people for whom games are intended to achieve the first or third?  Some games work better for some purposes, others for others.  Sudoku depends on a no-mistake approach, while other games depend on more overt risk-taking.

Probably related was a discussion of netlogo and other "formalization" activities that emphasize the value of creating "mind independent" procedures, recipes that can be followed "without thinking about it" (despite substantial "mindedness" in their construction.  How get people to learn to distinguish "reflection" from other aspects of learning, to appreciate the value of and develop their own skills at creating "mindless" understandings?  Metacognition can be encouraged by asking people imagine "seeing things through a different lens" but that doesn't yet quite get to the formalization process.

Suggested reading for discussion on Friday: Building a better teacher

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The Inanimate, the Animate, and Humans

As little Chipotle, our resident toad, sat in his tank at the back of the office, we discussed the difference between the "selves" that each person has, ones that distinguish between and behave differently with the inanimate, the animate, and humans. The "self" that deals with a rock is not the same "self" that deals with your pet dog (or toad, as it were), and that "self" is very different from the one that interacts with other people.

For some people these selves are very distinct and rarely, if ever, overlap. But for some the lines are a little fuzzily defined: the woman who treats her cats as her children, who talks to them and interacts with them as she would interact with toddlers; the woman who is in love with, and is loved by, the Eiffel Tower and the Golden Gate Bridge. Anthropomorphising animate objects (animals and other living things) is fairly common. Anthropomorphising inanimate objects isn't rare, either-- look at any young child with a favorite toy or baby blanket: the object of reverence will be carted around everywhere, treated like a human, given its own seat at the table and a place in bed.

The usefulness of clearly defining those selves, at least so much as to treat the object or animal (or person) with the most logical approach (the toad doesn't return your affections, Jessica, I'm sorry) is a matter of coherence. If we are to treat all things equally, the world falls into disarray and the process of inquiry gets a little... complicated.

"Dissociating" from non-humans, and even humans, is a useful approach for a changing, mercurial world.


Interesting to me, along this vein, is the idea of imaginary friends (in children and others), where the line between the "selves" is delineated there-- is an imaginary friend actually a "self" so harshly delineated that they become foreign or alien to the child?

(It calls to mind "alien hand  syndrome" and other instances where physical pieces of the body, still attached to the person, are regarded as something not belonging to the self.)

What about de-anthropomorphism? Destructuring a human into an animal, or an animal into an inanimate object?

And the social implications of "selves" and the delineation between one self and another-- when do a child's actions no longer reflect on the parents, if ever? When is the child a "self" of the parent... a piece of them? When do they dissociate and change from animate to human? When a baby is born, it does not possess the mental faculties to operate above the "animate level," as far as a I see it. They eat, they poop, they want to be held-- but none of that is uniquely human.

So when do they become "human?" How many selves, or types of selves, make you "human" over "animate?"

I guess it just makes me a little uncomfortable to put humans apart from all other living things... It might be wishful thinking, but I know that my dogs have personalities. I'm pretty sure they even have different selves, depending on who's on the other end of the leash. Are humans unique? Better? Or just different?

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being human in different ways, and the problems of that?

Humans are "just different," I think.  And different from one another.  Some humans are made uncomfortable by interactions with other humans.  Worth talking more about.  See /exchange/node/7644, and comments there. 

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Sudoku Experience- When Strategy Fails

A friend of mine is a former avid Sudoku player. I use the term former because while last summer she would play for about three hours a day, during the school year her time was often consumed with strictly academic assignments. I should also mention that this friend is also a math major. Well, last night this friend decided that she would resume playing Sudoku for the first time in quite a while. It was not anymore than three or four minutes into the game when she was proclaiming that she was having great difficulties completing the game. Her explanation for this was that she could not think quick enough since she had not used her brain in such a way since classes ended in May.  She then attempted to advise a strategy to complete the game.
As soon as I heard that she was devising a strategy, I stepped in to watch her play.  There were at least four boxes where it was obvious what number belonged so I asked her why she did not fill them in. She said it was because they did not coincide with her strategy and she would return to them once again after using the strategy that she devised to fill in some other boxes.
To be honest, it was painful to watch her play! I say this because as an outsider, I could see things that she could not. After conversing with Paul about this story, he suggested that perhaps it was the fact that her unconscious mind was impeding her from seeing the obvious. She had a certain strategy that she noticed in one part of the puzzle and her brain was automatically trying to use it to solve the rest of the puzzle in the same manner. On the other hand I was just an on-looker simply watching over her shoulder and not fully engaged in the game so it was quite simple for me to be able to look at the puzzle and realize what was obvious, or at least obvious to me. 

It is apparent when one plays games, their brains attempt to create a strategy based on past events that occurred and ended in a positive result. For example, perhaps this friend filled in a row with success and then unconsciously used this same method to fill in remaining portions of the puzzle.

I'm sure this idea will be explored further with our own findings over the course of the summer!

 

Paul Grobstein's picture

thinking: what it is, when to do it and when not

Interesting question put by Jenna this morning.  Can one learn to turn off the fuschia dot (I-function, story teller)?  Among other things, it can sometimes make it hard to "make decisions."  I think its worth thinking more about what the "thinking function" is useful for, what its not.  Suspect that's relevant in the bird brain context, as well as the sudoku context (cf Paul's Sudoku Journal, 9 Jan).  And lots of others, including athletic performance, writer's block, an ongoing discussion of formal systems/mindfulness/randomness, and life in general.   

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Central vs. Peripheral Processing

This conversation about making decisions has a lot to do with central vs. peripheral processing.  How and why does one make different decisions at different times?  And once we have made a decision, why is it that we so often come to regret it?

For the person who is seriously considering choosing between 2 cars, for example, central processing is key.  If they see a commercial for a car they are interested in, they pay great attention to things like the argument of the commercial and the authority of whatever source is advertising it; this is because they are heavily invested in the choice and are using all of their mental faculties to make it wisely.  The case is different for someone who is not actively looking to buy a car.  They employ peripheral processing because they are much less invested and therefore think more "distractedly"--they are attracted to a commercial that, while it might not make a good argument, features a well-known celebrity or flashy pictures.  Another interesting facet of these two kinds of processing is that central processing tends to take place when one is in a bad mood, while those in a good mood are more likely to use peripheral processing.

Central vs. peripheral processing is not just important in advertising but in all types of decision-making, including something like the Monty Hall Dilemma.  While solving this puzzle, are humans employing peripheral or central processing? If the fuschia dot "can sometimes make it hard to "make decisions,"" would "turning it off" lead to more central or peripheral processing, and how would this affect performance on the MHD?  Do humans and birds use two different types of processing while solving the MHD, or different versions of either peripheral or central processing?  And what accounts for the differences between the two versions, if any?

 

Jessica Watkins's picture

Bi-Co News Religion and Professors Article

An article I wrote for my college newspaper about religion and spirituality and its effect on professors. Take a look and please comment!

Jessica Watkins's picture

Thoughts on Birds Optimizing

Very interesting discussion with Paul just now about the paper we read regarding the difference in birds' vs. humans' approach to the Monty Hall Dilemma.  The paper's data, as well as a computer model created by Paul, supports the fact that birds are optimizing (they come to the conclusion that if they switch which door they want to pick it will end in a reward 67% of the time, and they stick with this conclusion 100% of the time) while humans are drawing conclusions based on empirical probability (they switch which door they want to open 67% of the time, not 100% of the time like birds do). So the difference between these two species when it comes to the MHD is not about "cluttered" thought getting in the way of the process through which they learn how to solve the puzzle--it is about the way in which they treat the data.  But why...?

Have to look more into this, but perhaps it relates back to our discussion about humans being born with a "scientific" or "analytical" brain that requires evidence, or a "right answer."  Are we too scientific to deal with the MHD? Maybe we are too focused on proving which door is the right choice every time; maybe we don't want to trust in a conclusion that will potentially work for a while and then turn into a "wrong answer." Are we afraid of committment to one answer? Perhaps our inquisitive nature is not well-suited for this puzzle because we are subconsciously not satisfied with one solution that stands the test of time...

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more on bird/human brains

Yeah, I'm intrigued too.  See BirdbrainsMax, a new version that actually acts like a bird, whereas the earlier BirdBrains2 actually acts like a human.  The difference is that the latter actually determines "empirical probabilities" for each alternative and uses these to determine its behavior.  The former doesn't determine "empirical probabilities" at all but instead uses the ratio of overall absolute successes for the two alternatives to probabilistically bias its behavior.  The upshot is being "less afraid of commitment to one answer"? 

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BSEIC - 8 June

Good conversation about how to "ease" people into modelling, is in fact a part of "reflective processes" (as opposed to non-reflective, unconscious ones).  Draw connections by starting with drawing pictures, making metaphors, concept maps?  And good conversation about the "open-ended co-construction" rubric.  "We don't know where going" is "dishonest" and more anxiety provoking than it needs to be.  There are places to go, selected in advance to be interesting, generate feedback.  At the same time, its important/valuable to be sure that participants actually do influence what happens next.

Lots of back and forthing on "getting it less wrong."  Differs from "getting it right" or "getting it more right" in the absence of a perceived state of perfection.  Golfer or sudoku player or etc can become better by some standard without their being a "best" state or single way of getting better.  So "less wrong" does depend on a movement motivation ("aspiration," randomness, something else?) that provides a way to measure "progress" but the progress is assessed relative to starting point rather than proximity to fixed end state.  And the aspiration, if it exists, may itself be changeable.  Interesting discussion of whether "getting it less wrong" can/should be understood as "we are all wrong" or "we are all imperfect."  Different species are not "imperfect"?  Certainly they can't be compared to one another but they are each ... subject to further change.  Get rid of "imperfect" along with "perfect", of "more right" along with "right"?  Maybe it would help to emphasize that "wrong" is always context-dependent?  Or maybe one needs a whole new set of words, ones that convey both the absence of a fixed end state and the continuing potential for adaptive change?  

Interesting conversation about how to think about birds being better than humans at Three Doors.  Are they "filtering clutter" or do they lack a clutter that humans have trouble filtering?  The latter makes it a little easier perhaps to explore the issue in humans. 

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BSEIC updating

Tuesday, 25 May

Interesting conversation about science, its relation to other forms of human activity, triggered in part by Crossing the lines of science and formal systems.  What gets in the way of science being a common part of everybody's life?  Why does everyone interact with music but not with science?  Where does the perception that one needs to be an "expert" to engage with science come from and can that be corrected?  Can we blend science/english minds instead of making choices between them?  What would that require of how science is presented/taught? See Science education (and science) as conversation and Put a little science in your life  and Put a little science in your life, extended.

Some further ideas about this arose from reading student papers linked to above ("Starting points").  The emphasis was on making courses things that all students can engage with.  One extreme possibility is to let courses be constructed based on student interests.  An alternative possibility is to structure courses around a theme that everybody is interested in, and allow student interests to influence the particular flows that a course takes at any given time.  In either case, there is a need to give up some teacher authority/autonomy in the interests of co-construction. And to assure that courses are structured so as to encourage students to believe that they in fact have things to contribute (cf Expertise?). 

Tuesday, 1 June

Rich discussion of the issue of what education is for, whether there is a way of teaching that is relevant for all subjects, levels, socio-economic and ethnic backgrounds.  Are there "universal tools" that students should acquire or should courses simply convey whatever different skills, perspectives, bodies of information they represent?  Rather than "prepare" students for particular future needs and challenges, should one instead or in addition progressively "empower" students to deal with unpredictable challenges? 

The problems of the "preparation" approach are exemplified in Mind over meds.  For some thoughts about generalisable ways of teaching, see Building a better teacher.  Among the suggested things to focus on as generalizable skills were

  • analytic reasoning
  • skepticism
  • metacognition
  • creative thinking


Is the model of "liberal arts" education, encouraging students to widely explore based on their own interests, relevant in other contexts?  Would "generalized" approaches be relevant/useful in vocational education?

Friday, 4 June

Some interesting reactions to our experiment in "open-ended co-construction." In comparison to other learning experiences, one finds oneself "thinking in many different ways."  Enjoyable but "problem of getting out of bouncing thoughts".  Maybe its "bouncing thoughts" that make birds better than people at Three Doors?  Maybe people seek "authority" in religion/science/etc to avoid bouncing thoughts/incoherence/depressive rumination?  Clearly the phenomena of multiple selves is relevant in an educational context. 

There are interesting and perhaps relevant parallels between multiple thoughts, multiple disciplines, and social conflict.  Could we think of multiplicity/diversity not as contentious but rather as generative?  Perhaps by not insisting that there has to be one overriding "Truth" but rather by allowing multiple, even conflicting, perspectives to stay in play at the same time?  Is there a need for a "fuschia dot" to help achieve this? 

One possible approach to this set of issues is to think more about "thinking" and what is involved in it.  Perhaps "thinking" is a way to notice and find potential resolutions for internal conflicts, and offers possibilities alternative to any of the contending understandings.  PG: "I don't fully understand what I actually think about something until I can formalize it, make a model of it".  Rather than trust an authority, oneself included, one should test understandings (see Inevitable Illusions by Piatelli-Palmirini).  A model of how birds might solve the Three Doors problem was offered, and might be extended to show both the strengths and limitations of "thinking." 

The question was raised of what distinguishes "thinking" from other processes going on in the brain.  Perhaps one can build up to "thinking" as per the following
Start with the "formal", thoughtless

 

  • Add randomness
  • Add monitoring of internal variables ("reward" is going up or down)
  • Translate new observations into a new formalization (preference is digital rather than analog)
  • Add abstract "objectives" that can themselves be modified?
Jessica Watkins's picture

Interesting Psychology Article

I read this article for my psychology course this past semester and found it interesting, as well as pertinent to our discussion the other day about sporatic thought in relation to depression.

 

Wil Franklin's picture

Implication to Education of Multiple Selves Hypothesis

“An evolving approach to the science of pleasure suggests that each of us contains multiple selves—all with different desires, and all fighting for control. If this is right,…  should outsiders, such as employers and policy makers, get into the fray?”

Paul Bloom’s article in the Atlantic titled “First Person Plural” struck me as very pertinent to education as well.  Should educators get into the fray?  In actuality, they already are. On a daily basis, they interact with 25-30 students, which if the assumptions outlined in this article are valid, might be a number closer to 75- 90 different personalities a teacher must interact with. 

“Examples abound in our own lives. Late at night, when deciding not to bother setting up the coffee machine for the next morning, I sometimes think of the man who will wake up as a different person, and wonder, What did he ever do for me? When I get up and there’s no coffee ready, I curse the lazy bastard who shirked his duties the night before.”

A common lament of educators is the lack of transfer and application students demonstrate from one year to the next, even one topic to the next.  Perhaps, this multiple selves hypothesis can give educators some insight.  Maybe students just have a hard time shifting between frames of  mind and don’t connect one set topics with another because a different self houses that information.  An educators question shifts from, “how can I help my students to synthesis information, so they can use it?” to “how can I help my students synthesize their selves?”  The old question rests on the assumption that they lose or have never assimilated information.  The new question trusts that it is there somewhere, just needs to become accessible to all selves that rest within an individual.

What might a pedagogy look like that took into account the multiple selves hypothesis?  I could imagine one approach would be to diversify both the topics and the process.  If topics cannot be readily placed into a single category, perhaps multiple frames of mind will be needed to handle it.  Likewise, if the process of learning and the learning environment is diversified to include more group work, maybe multiple frames of mind will need to be marshaled.  Another way to diversify the learning environment would be to place students in multiple roles.  In the course of any project, students would play collaborator, reporter and evaluator.  In all cases, a single individual works in a structure that increases the need to be flexible and reflective.   

Many new questions arise.  Does complexity and diversity actually demand more selves?  Can working in groups that help students deal with other individuals also help students deal with their own selves? Can playing multiple roles to complete one project help students deal with multiple selves?

 

Amonite's picture

multiple selves

We read the (First Person Plural) article some time ago, and while the theory has gained some popularity in recent years, it doesn't seem to hold up. Certainly, humans react differently in different situations, and place varying emphasis on memory or circumstance according to what is occurring or their own personality. But the very fact that two -different- humans, (or, even two different people within one body), might experience or remember the same situation differently, would seem more to indicate that the human mind is much more adaptive or flexible than a typical personality test gives it credit for, rather than that it is a different self, so to speak, going through the pain or pleasure. Certainly, for true multiples (And everyone else) - any 'self' requires self awareness.
Simply adapting to the dental chair and then adapting to ballet class is not the same as John Doe & Mary coming out of the movie theater with different perceptions/reviews on it, etc, or multiple self-aware people co-existing in one body.

- Amonite

kgould's picture

While still not an answer,

While still not an answer, this article offers more information concerning "plural selves" in the context of technology, specifically, the internet.

Since so much of education, now, revolves around our use of technology and information garnered from the internet, one has to wonder how much that affects the information that is absorbed-- and absorbed by which self.

Paul Grobstein's picture

society of mind, community of selves

"each of us contains multiple selves—all with different desires, and all fighting for control."

Yep, very interesting article, and indeed relevant to thinking about education; nice connection.  Interesting too the parallels to Marvin Minsky's "society of mind," a closely related notion of multiple parts with different interests derived from thinking not about people but rather about artificial intelligence. 

Think it would be fun to try and model some of this.  As an adjunct to thinking more about the benefits of society of mind architectures (mulitple interacting "boxes") and the mechanisms in the brain to deal with them (corollary discharge signals and a "fuschia dot"/I-function/story teller; cf The brain and social well-being and The brain, story sharing, and social organization).  That might help us think more about a "multiple selves" pedagogy.

Paul Grobstein's picture

Different kinds of minds

Are birds smarter than mathematicians? 

For more about the game being played, see Making sense of understanding: the three doors of Serendip.   Betcha its possible to make an implementation of this that would make humans as good as pigeons at it, ie that humans have the same abilities pigeons have but allow thinking to get in the way.

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looping brains/minds in inquiry/education

Rich opening conversation this morning.  Some thoughts to mull further ...

On "science mind"/"english mind": "science mind" is more "analytically cold," "english mind" is more "creative." "Science mind" is "studying what is there", "deconstructing" whereas "english mind" is more "about producing," "constructing." 

Interesting connection to construction, deconstruction, reconstruction as a brain activity.  Makes sense, along these lines, that it is empowering to have both a "science mind" and an "english mind," to make use of both construction and deconstruction, to loop between them.

But there's probably another dimension to this as well, a preference by the "english mind" for the "human" and for the "science mind" for the "inhuman" (see More on loops/conflict/education).   Here too it is perhaps advantageous to loop between two minds rather than assert the primacy of either over the other.  Perhaps "english minds" overestimate the "the potency of bribery, sweet talk, logic, and well-meaningness" and "science minds" underestimate the significance of such things?  

Interesting connection as well to the essential role that social dynamics plays in inquiry.  People with "science minds" tend to discount "english minds" in themselves as will as to challenge the usefulness of others they identify as having "english minds" and vice versa.  What is needed is not to get people with either kind of mind to replace it with the other but rather to help people see the existence in themselves of both kinds of minds and the benefits that accrue from intersecting them.  One needs to get over an implicit feeling that different is challenging and think instead of difference as generative, both individually and collectively.

And so here (and elsewhere) an experiment in open-ended transactional inquiry, in co-construction of not only the products of an inquiry but of the specific objectives of the inquiry as well.   Start with a group of people with related interests, let the idiosyncratic expression of those interests itself define the immediate objectives of construction, deconstruct and reconstruct with confidence that new stories and new questions, both individual and collective, will emerge.  Very much looking forward to seeing how it plays out.  And how relevant it might (or might not) turn out to be for educational (and inquiry) contexts in general. 

Wil Franklin's picture

Delineation and judging?

The science mind/english mind dichotomy brings up several more general issues for me.  All of which I still have many questions.  One version of this issue happened many years ago sitting with some friends watching the surf we had just played in for hours.  In our exhausted state of euphoria one friend started waxing poetic about the mystery of ocean waves - the giant Pacific type that roll out of the vast expanse to curl perfectly along the coast etc, etc... just as if they wanted us to play on them.  As the consummate scientist (read - know it all back when I was 18 years old) I began to demystify the phenomena for my friends beginning with high winds and  a large fetch, etc, but was quickly silenced as a cold, joyless cynic who knew not of beauty and the divine - being 18 yrs old and we all liked to chide each other rather hard.  In any case, this to me, illustrates 1.) the view of scientists as joyless, lab coat wearing scrooges, 2.) the tenacity of humans to cling to certain myths, and 3.) the problem of delineating and circumscribing anything new.  The third issue is of particular relevance to our morning discussion.  I think, and I still have many question here, once something is named/delineated/circumscribed it becomes NOT something else.  Once there is something and something else, the human mind or perhaps more precisely, the limbic/emotional parts of the human mind adds value to it.  I think (what do you all think) that we cannot escape this.  As an individual all things start with us as the origin, meaning all understanding becomes colored by who we are, our past, our prejudices, our starting assumptions and thus, we every so subtly (sometimes not so) judge.  I don't think however, we have to leave it at that. I do think we can realize this about our nature and begin to reconstruct our understanding - consciously not placing value on what has been delineated.   Or am I fooling myself to think that I can hold two discrete objects (sometimes in opposition, sometimes not) in a valueless void?

I guess I am interested (at least for sake of argument) in challenging Paul's claim that we can be different without judging? Are we first and foremost emotional beings? If so, can an educator set up joyful experiences with "other", such that "other" at least becomes colored with a positive emotion?

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on difference without judgement?

"we can be different without judging?"

I want to flag this as a really important question.  Redwood trees and oaks are "different without judging."  Yes, its hard for people to do that, but maybe its worth spending the time to try and understand why, and then using that understanding to make it possible for people to better do what redwoods and oaks do? 

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Thoughts about English and Science

I think there may be a considerable amount of hidden overlap between what a scientific mind entails and that which composes an English mind. I say this because originally I had supposed that a science mind was a mind that was solely based on observation whereas an English mind was based on the use of language, particularly flowery language to convey ideas and based more on describing things rather than observation. However, this is exactly where I found a gigantic flaw in my own idea. If we are to say that English is concerned more with describing and science more with observing, aren’t I technically saying the same thing?

Perhaps then there is a great deal of overlap between a scientific mind and an English mind and the dichotomy between the two is generated through the presentation of the material for each subject rather than through the actual acquisition of this material. For example, do not both disciplines require observation? Whereas one may observe a scientific experiment and record data, one likewise observes a particular object, for example and writes about (in detail) what they see.  Yet, it can still be argued that the objectives for each are completely different. In English, one rights for a particular audience, and while this can be said for in science- for example, to introduce a new finding, for example, the audience that has the opportunity to relate with the piece is often much smaller than the audience that can appreciate an English piece.

These ideas are extremely primitive and not well developed, but I suppose they’re food for thought!

 

kgould's picture

I think it would be

I think it would be interesting to try and pull apart further what aspects make a "science" mind or an "English" mind. As an English major with a Biology minor, and as someone who likes science and writing together, I can't say that I personally see a huge difference between the kinds of thinking when it comes to approaching both subjects. There are many different ways to approach analyzing literature and while none of them can really be exact as science, I think it really depends on what angle you take.

If we see both types of minds as "loopy," as connecting to each other, we have to recognize that they both arise from the same network of neurons in the brain, that "English" arises from the science of the brain, and that science can only be communicated through "English," or language. They are undeniably linked.

I look forward to getting back to Bryn Mawr and getting started. I was able to postpone my jury duty again, so I will be back this next weekend.

Jessica Watkins's picture

I think it is important to

I think it is important to point out that "science" and "english" minds cannot exist on their own; they need support (or opposition, which may lead to new, better ideas) from each other--another reason to break down the barriers of these categories and let minds be minds.  A thought is a thought is a thought, no matter where it came from, and it is not until this thought has interacted with others that its worth can be measured and recognized.

Paul Grobstein's picture

thinking at various scales about education

Some relevant recent things in the NYTimes

Maybe the policy debates are in general missing a critical on the job issue: what constitutes a good teacher and how does one get more of them in classrooms?

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a brain/culture modeling project?

Origins and problems of stereotyping (others and self), given internal heterogeneity

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