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Paul Grobstein's picture

BSEIC - 8 June

Good conversation about how to "ease" people into modelling, is in fact a part of "reflective processes" (as opposed to non-reflective, unconscious ones).  Draw connections by starting with drawing pictures, making metaphors, concept maps?  And good conversation about the "open-ended co-construction" rubric.  "We don't know where going" is "dishonest" and more anxiety provoking than it needs to be.  There are places to go, selected in advance to be interesting, generate feedback.  At the same time, its important/valuable to be sure that participants actually do influence what happens next.

Lots of back and forthing on "getting it less wrong."  Differs from "getting it right" or "getting it more right" in the absence of a perceived state of perfection.  Golfer or sudoku player or etc can become better by some standard without their being a "best" state or single way of getting better.  So "less wrong" does depend on a movement motivation ("aspiration," randomness, something else?) that provides a way to measure "progress" but the progress is assessed relative to starting point rather than proximity to fixed end state.  And the aspiration, if it exists, may itself be changeable.  Interesting discussion of whether "getting it less wrong" can/should be understood as "we are all wrong" or "we are all imperfect."  Different species are not "imperfect"?  Certainly they can't be compared to one another but they are each ... subject to further change.  Get rid of "imperfect" along with "perfect", of "more right" along with "right"?  Maybe it would help to emphasize that "wrong" is always context-dependent?  Or maybe one needs a whole new set of words, ones that convey both the absence of a fixed end state and the continuing potential for adaptive change?  

Interesting conversation about how to think about birds being better than humans at Three Doors.  Are they "filtering clutter" or do they lack a clutter that humans have trouble filtering?  The latter makes it a little easier perhaps to explore the issue in humans. 

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