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9/11

The graphic adaptation, I think, does a good job of conveying it's purpose (or at least what the authors said it was meant to be). I for one would have never read the commission report if it had not been for this novel. I think what's compelling about it, is that it relates words (which themselves are limiting) to the images we all know. I like that it gives the reader an image of what occurred on that hollowed day, before it explains the history behind the day itself.

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Towards Day 18: Graphic History

 

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Everyone believes what they want to... Right?

In class on Thursday we discussed how people have different realities based on their personal interpretations of what is "real". I discussed how I was completely convinced that Randall was the murderer in the Thin Blue Line, and not David. We discussed how this interpretation could have been because David was more personable and charismatic than Randall, and while yes this might be true I feel like I constructed that truth in my mind based on what I interpreted. To me Randall was completely flat in all affect that he showed. He didn't become upset or emotional at all in any interview that was shown and maybe it was just frustration with him retelling his story, but I took it as he was emotionally flat all around.

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Course notes, 10/28/10

  Scene I: Computer Troubles. 

We couldn't get the computer to work. It was straight-up G (that's a pun, because the "g" key was stuck down and we couldn't get a letter in edgewise). In light of this, J asked for reactions to Tarnation. 

J: It's scary and shocking. 

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Notes 10-28-10

 Responses to Tarnation

·      I enjoyed the film but thought it was kind of freaky.

·      And what was wrong with Jonathan’s mother, that she had to receive shock therapy? 

o   There was some difference of perception, whether Rene’s parents had consulted the Doctors, or really known what they were doing, if Rene was mentally disturbed before the accident or only as a result of the accident.

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Watching Tarnation

 I had a very uncertain reaction toward the documentary Tarnation by Johnathan Caouette when I started watching it. I was not sure what to look for and what to focus on in the light of our class discussion about truth and reality. However, as I continued watching the film, it became clear to me what was happening in his life and the struggle he was going through dealing with his mother's illness. The artistic techniques used in the movie were interesting at some points, but also very creepy at other points. I have also watched some parts of the documentary again but with Johnathan explaining certain aspects of the documentary.

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Tarnation, Round Two

This is my second time watching Tarnation (2003) by Jonathan Caouette, and I have to say that I was just as disturbed and just as impressed as the first time I watched it. 

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Food for thought:

"The failure of language (as 'we know it') to accurately create an understandable roadmap to 'realization' or 'enlightenment' has been taken by some, as evidence that there is no 'realization' or 'enlightenment'; "what cannot be described, cannot be real" is an actual axiom of certain philosophies.


Indeed, there seems to be a very generous allowance given to the assumption that a description, if accurate, somehow conveys the thing itself; if I accurately describe 'water', the reader would then be wet. Similarly, it is assumed that a person who has had an experience, should be able to describe the experience, in such a way as to convey the actual experience itself, to the reader.

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Filming Techniques in Tarnation

Watching Tarnation, I felt that a lot of what made the movie was the clever ways in which the director filmed, edited, and spliced the segments of video. For instance, the quick clips of flashing video were used when Jonathan was talking about his drug-induced confusion and disorientation.

I also thought that the choice of music was good in that it contrasted with the images and with the mood of the documentary as a whole. While the music was breathy and cheerful, the videos were anything but cheerful.

I again noticed the discrepancies between different characters descriptions of the same event. As the Netflix summary says , “There's more than one truth on view here.”

 

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Authenticating Truths v. Authentic Truths

I really enjoyed watching Thin Blue Line and found myself rewinding to re-watch portions of it. As I mentioned in class, I've been fascinated by the ways in which something is proven or authenticated as true. In terms of documentary film, there are all sorts of techniques and methods that can be employed. The Thin Blue Line features several, from invoking the psychological past and family damage done to David Harris, to the repetition of the murder scene. Interestingly enough, as we discussed, this film was intentionally crafted by the filmmaker to suggest the innocence of Randall Adams. While a murder is fairly black and white, with someone who is guilty of the killing and someone who is not, the stories or versions of the truth told by those involved varied greatly!

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Thin Blue Line

 I thoroughly enjoyed watching Thin Blue Line. I enjoyed the repetitious illustration of the events of the night of the murder. Like we discussed in class today, the story left me wary of the judicial system and wondering how many people have gone through that same experience, yet they were never proven innocent. Subsequently, I looked up a list of exonerated death row inmates and it saddens me that years of these people's lives were stolen and they will more than likely never be the same.

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Class Notes 10/26

 Class Notes 10/26/10

Anne: Discussion of what to do on Thursday. People willing to serve as mediators in her absence. This would be a step towards self-directed education. Reactions?

 Veritatemdelixi: Suggested working together on papers.

Anne: We wouldn’t be able to discuss film.

 Aya Seaver: We could discuss film and then do writing groups.

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Tarnation

I'm still watching the movie but I thought I would post some initial reactions. The introduction portion of the movie is one of the creepiest things I've watched in a long time. Since this portion is also one of the parts of the movie that really is a creation of art rather than a documentary, I think its really interesting that the creators of the film chose to introduce the movie in this way. Flashing images of people and playing eerie music sets up the film as a kind of real life horror story. I'd be really interested in knowing how much of this documentary was part of Jonathan Caouette's initial idea for the film and which parts were added as a result of input from other directors.

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A Side-Step to Literary Theory

  “It could be that we always need more stories because in some way they do not satisfy. Stories, however perfectly conceieved and powerfully written, however moving, do not accomplish successfully their allotted function. Each story and each repetition or variation of it leaves some uncertainty or co tains some loose end unraveling its effect, according to an implacable law that is not so much psychological or social as linguistic. This necessary incompletion means that no story fulfills perfectly once and for all its functions of ordering and confirming.

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Multilayered Perspectives, Memory, and the Thin Blue Line

 

To return to a topic we discussed in last week's class about the idea of perspective, I want to focus this post on the idea that a multilayered perspective is more representative of "reality" than a singular narrative presence. Many people in the class felt that they had difficulty following the plot of F for Fake because of the incongruously layered and spliced approach to storytelling. Thin Blue Line used the same technique of multiple perspectives, but did so in a deliberate and almost heavy handed way.

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Watching F for Fake

When I was watching F is for Fake I found that it was confusing to pick apart the story. There were all these people that were supposed to be connected to one another in some way (including Orson Welles own story) and I didn’t see the connection. At some point in the movie, the painter “a fake faker” which was hard to process before the next scene came up.

 

I do watch reality TV for entertainment but while this mock-documentary used similar camera angles/shifts, the plot/story was not made clear to the viewers.

 

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F for Fake/ Thin Blue Line

F for Fake, for me, was disorienting-- but in a fun, roller coaster kind of way. (Wait until we watch Tarnation. THAT is... yeah.) The editing style, at the time, was experimental and as Pamela noted, evocative of the MTV style editing we see today. I appreciated Welles's playfulness with the medium and I did not expect to find a cohesive narrative-- I was, at times, invested in what was "true" and what was "false," but I guess I didn't feel as betrayed or as angry as some of the other opinions we heard last week. 

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Class Notes: 10/19/10

 Notes 10/19/10

Anne: course-keeping, went over written course evaluations, read comments about our discussions might turn into arguments, class evaluations, what we are doing from here on out. Go over material that we will be covering, reading, watching. Decide amongst ourselves which books we will be reading because our first list was too extensive, too much material. Paper due soon!!! Can write about any material/conversation covered thus far.

On to etymologies…

Aya Seaver: wants to read the dictionary. On a spectrum, very easy to back it into the corner of nonfiction, look at the politics because it is more complicated

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What is "reality" for one person is not necessary the same for another.

 I really enjoyed watching The Thin Blue Line. I think it brings out a lot of good points about truth, reality, and facts in any court case and how the "reality" for one person might be a "lie" for another person. The first thing I noticed is how the testimonies of witnesses are not always reliable because many of the people who testified seeing the face of the person who was driving had doubts about what they saw. One lady said that it was dark and foggy and she was not sure if she actually saw Adam's face or rather hair.