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Taming the Anxious Brain

meroberts's picture

Neural and Behavioral Sciences Senior Seminar

Bryn Mawr College, Spring 2010

As discussed in class, there is an under-utilization of specialized mental health practitioners and effective treatments to treat anxiety and depression. In our discussion we hope to shed light on the various treatment methods (cognitive behavioral therapy and psychopharmacological treatments) used to treat symptoms of mental health illnesses. The New York Times Magazine article and the Springer Link  article highlight the innate manifestation of anxiety in anxiety-prone individuals. The ScienceDirect article focuses on the biological/physical manifestations of anxiety in the brain. The New York Times blog article and the article from medicinenet.com bring to light the growing need for cognitive behavioral therapy in elderly populations. We hope that the articles prove enjoyable and enlightening. We look forward to our discussion of the manifestation and treatments for anxiety.

Background readings:

For both the SpringerLink and ScienceDirect articles, just read the introductions and the conclusions.

Some relevant thoughts from last week

 

Discussion summary (EB)

This week’s discussion began with a short summary of reflections from last week’s topic on consciousness.  Working off Paul’s self vs. non-self consciousness definition, we considered why it was that consciousness does not seem to be a popular topic in psychology or biology classes.  Is it because we lack a shared subjectivity for the actual definition/understanding of consciousness?  Is it because we lack the neural map for the mechanisms behind consciousness?  Whatever the reason, it seemed to both intrigue and concern Paul…and the rest of the class.

We quickly transitioned into Megan and Sasha’s presentation on anxiety, “Taming the Anxious Brain”.  The discussion remained loosely around the NYT article, “Understanding the Anxious Mind” from which a variety of questions were raised.  First, we reviewed the treatments for anxiety- drug therapy and talk therapy- and the fact that people who begin taking anxiety medications tend to stay on them.  Then, we incorporated consciousness/unconsciousness back into our discussion to suggest a “link” in drug therapy (the process of taking drugs) as an unconscious process vs. CBT as a conscious effort to act differently.  This was actually the first of several “links” to consciousness that we discussed in class. The second was related to Baby 19 and the nature vs. nurture argument.  Did Baby 19 have innately organized anxiety within her brain?  If yes, would we conclude that this was anxiety of the unconscious brain?  Again, how does the nature/nurture function in association with the conscious/unconscious argument?  Furthermore, if there were truth in the nature vs. nurture anxiety argument, would this difference translate into differences between who/which group responds better to drugs?

Through this discussion, it was concluded that there are most likely different levels of consciousness involved in anxiety.  It was also concluded that it may not be particularly useful to create “links” that presume the innate to be the biological.  If we establish that no two people can have identical brain activity and if we believe that brain = behavior, then we must give serious consideration to the possibility that there exist differences in levels of anxiety at therefore differences in subconscious neuronal mechanisms.   Then the question was raised again, would different forms/levels of anxiety AND of consciousness have implications in the type of treatment needed to treat a specific person?  

We discussed what it meant to be “aware” of being anxious. Two different theories were discussed. First, the James Lang model of emotion explains that one experiences a state of anxiety because that person’s muscles are tense.  Second, the Demassio model hypothesizes that muscles can be tense because of thoughts that someone is having.  Your muscles can be tense for a variety of reasons, and these reasons could be conscious or unconscious.

Finally, Sasha and Megan told us about their research on anxiety and the role of the lateral septum.  We had a debate about whether or not we believed a rat was conscious.  I’m not sure there was a definite conclusion on this argument, but it seems to me that just because a rat is not exhibiting a particular behavior that we, humans, would associate with a certain level of consciousness does not imply that rats do not have the capability of consciousness.

Continuing conversation in forum area below

Comments

kenglander's picture

ny times article

If people are interested in furthering the discussion....

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/magazine/25Memoir-t.html?src=me&ref=homepage

rdanfort's picture

"overmedication"

The temptation to condemn modern society (and psychology) as "obsessed with medicating all our problems" is strong, but I am never exactly sure how compelling it is.  It is true that medication of first-worlders for psychiatric illness has expanded greatly in the last few decades.  It is also true that many of the drugs most commonly prescribed - antidepressants, anxiolytics, sleeping pills - can cause a lot of problems and fail to treat the illness they are prescribed for.  Anxiolytic drugs are among the worst culprits, carrying a litany of dependency issues, producing excessive sedation, and potentially disrupting important enzymatic activity and promoting cognitive decline.  Despite all this, it is hard for me to say with any confidence that some worst case patient - say, an individual misdiagnosed with anxiety disorder and dependent upon benzodiazepenes with little impact on the condition that brought them to seek attention - would be better off a century ago.  Would they have adopted some coping mechanism, such as smoking or drinking, that would be more deleterous?  Would they have lived reasonably well as a ditch-digger somewhere?  Who can say?  I also feel that while overmedication still happens, it is nothing compared to the psychiatric practices of the 60s, 70s, and 80s.  We do not see Lenny Bruce, God rest him, coming back from the doctor with IV methamphetamine for "fatigue".  Quaaludes and other barbituates were successfully phased out because of their sharp dosage curve and severe dependency issues.  Etc.

I don't say this to be dismissive, but I do sometimes worry that the sentiment of concern over medication may produce poor outcomes in needy patients.  For example, the Waco clinic I worked in this summer was hesitant to distribute benzodiazepenes for anxiety, opting for one of a few antidepressants or buspar as a substitution.  From my understanding, these drugs do not work as well in many patients.  Benzodiazepenes are the best remedy available for a lot of people, even if they are dangerous.  Is it medically preferable to try a different drug first?  I would be very interested to see a study tracking anxiety patients across treatment 'roadmaps', because it could well be that substantial populations recover or are found to have another condition if treated with an alternative first.

rdanfort's picture

Another important question

Has anything been done to characterize the stressors of "modern American life" against some equivalent social order of the past?  Is this even a reliable way of predicting the incidence of anxiety disorder, or is attaching a disorder to real-world stressors completely missing the point?

I can buy the argument that our way of living now is more likely to produce mental illness for a number of reasons, but it's nothing but a good story until it's been supported by data. 

LMcCormick's picture

Anxiety

I think that Vidya’s question about an acceptable level of anxiety is important.  There is a very fine line between constructive and detrimental anxiety.  For example, I had a friend that was extremely anxious during one finals period and began suffering minor panic attacks.  She went to the doctor and they offered to give her anti-anxiety medication; however, she decided not to take the medication because she feared that without stress as a motivator, she would not produce high quality work.  I am still conflicted about whether or not this was the correct decision.  It is possible that she did better on her finals because of her anxiety, but was this healthy?  On the other hand, at a certain point people become nonfunctional when they are under too much stress.  Additionally, would she have made the same decision if she were under less stress?  I feel that this brings up a flaw in David’s suggestion to allow people to make the decision whether or not they should be treated for anxiety: people in a very anxious state may not have the capacity to make a rational decision about what is best for their health.

 

meroberts's picture

Anxiety, Culture, and Predispositions

It's interesting to think of anxiety as an emotion experienced by everyone at some point in time. If everyone experiences anxiety during their life, why is it that some people are so debilitated by it? If there is an evolutionary role of anxiety, why are a large percentage of the population unable to cope with their anxiety without the help of pharmacological treatments or psychotherapy? Has something about our environment changed? Since high incidences of anxiety seem to be a Western trend, doesn't that indicate that our society/culture is to blame?

Similarly, in the case of people who are being treated for an anxiety disorder, why are some people more responsive to medications when others respond better to talk therapy? Again, this speaks to the variability of each individual. I was excited to share the two scientific studies with the class because they offered interesting observations about biological/mental predispositions for developing anxiety. The idea that some people are more prone to worry than others didn't surprise me. But I was surprised by some of the things that Baby 19 would worry about at such a young age. It helped me understand the difference between a moderate/"normal" amount of anxiety and a point at which the anxiety becomes debilitating.

mrobbins's picture

anxiety

I completely agree that anxiety has an adaptive role in human nature. Anxiety, like depression, may actually be helpful in certain circumstances. If anxiety were not somewhat advantageous I doubt it would still be universally ingrained in all of us. It is not surprising then that anxiety and depression are highly comorbid because both emotions can be used as helpful coping mechanisms albeit in many but not all situations. Depression allows you to grieve and reevaluate life in a slower self-reflective manner while anxiety jump starts the mind and body to pay more attention to something and react in an appropriate manner. It's a shock to the heart and brain. Moderate anxiety helps us act in stressful or important situations. The mind shocks the body into form and vice versa. This reaction makes us more conscientious, careful, and self-aware. However, when anxiety goes into overdrive it consumes the mind and body to only pay attention to the anxiety rather than being a mere catalyst for greater awareness of self and the complete situation at hand. I also agree that each person's neural signature may affect their interpretation of an intense emotion such as anxiety. Yes, society, especially fast-paced societies may exaggerate anxiety in many. Perhaps extreme anxiety was not a problem among cavemen. However, every person's consciousness creates their own reality. So what does it really matter if one person gets overly anxious in certain situations while another person doesn't? If a person's conscious reality seems harmfully anxious then that is all that really matters. If they sense that their emotions are traumatizing and a clinician agrees then what use is it to argue that if some people can handle it then all of us can? We each have our own pain-thresholds but those who can tolerate less should not be deemed weaker. Perhaps the overly anxious person is just better equipped for a different reality than the one they are in. In terms of treatment I wonder, does a medication that eases anxiety change a fundamental component of their reality? Are the medicated less in touch with their conscious nature than are those solely in therapy?

 

kenglander's picture

The phrase "perhaps the

The phrase "perhaps the overly anxious person is just better equipped for a different reality than the one they are in" struck me as being particularly relevant to our class discussions. To what extent do individual realities shape cultural reality (is there such a thing?) and vice-versa? How variable is one's reality? A traumatizing event can certainly shape one's perspective and greatly affect one's outlook on life, but does this mean one's reality has changed?

In the case of the business professional who is particularly anxious and meticulous about his work, has he simply found his niche? That is, has he manipulated his reality so that it benefits his lifestyle? (Is that possible? Is it conscious?)

Claire Ceriani's picture

Differing Interpretations

I like the idea that some people may be more likely to struggle with anixety than others, but that some of those people will be better able to control it than others.  Personal situation may have a lot to do with it.  Some people genuinely do have more to worry about than others, and this may affect a person's ability to cope with abnormal anxiety levels.  The Harvard student, originally labeled as a high-reactive type, overcame her problems with anxiety.  Part of this may be due to the fact that she is the kind of person who can get into Harvard.  She is obviously intelligent and hard-working, and probably found academic success in high school relatively easy to come by.  According to the NYT article, she is also a talented dancer, which is something else that would set her apart from other people in a positive way.  Baby 19, on the other hand, may be more of an average person.  She may have found it harder to be an A student and to really excel at something.  She may have felt she had less control over her success as a student than the Harvard student did.  I think a sense of control may be a key factor in handling abnormal anxiety.  This may explain why nursing homes make so much use of medications for anxiety.  That may be partly due to overprescribing, but anxiety may actually be more prevalent in nursing homes, simply because the residents have lost some of the control they once had over their own lives.

Bo-Rin Kim's picture

Going off of Prof.

Going off of Prof. Grobstein's post, I think culture plays a huge role in the development of anxiety in that societies establish standards in terms of how you are supposed to behave, how fast you’re supposed to work, what skills you should be able to develop, etc. Particularly in fast-paced societies, these standards are even more prominent and have bigger effects on people who have difficulty keeping up. This is not to say that all anxiety originates from not being like others or not being able to be a productive contributor to society, but it is one stressor that definitely can lead to anxiety problems. So, certain forms of anxiety may have arisen due to how societies developed and how they can push people to their limits.


I also think the high levels of drug use to treat anxiety in these fast-paced societies may be because medication is a clear, strict regimen that people can easily follow. Apart from the effect of the drugs, this kind of clear-cut, regular treatment may help to reduce anxiety levels because there is comfort in knowing that if you just take these pills three times a day you will feel better. In contrast, therapy and CBT are most abstract forms of treatment that are not as clear-cut and more time-consuming. However, I think that in the long run, CBT is a better treatment choice as patients do not grow dependent on drugs and it address the source of the anxiety. Moreover, while drugs have been discussed to be the better treatment for “unconscious” or general anxiety, I feel like CBT can also be used to train people to deal with and redirect anxious feelings in a healthier, more adaptive manner.
 

Paul Grobstein's picture

anxiety: again culture, consciousness, and construction

Lots of intriguing parallels between this conversation on anxiety and our earlier ones on depression, culture, consciousness, and the brain's role in experiencing.

As with depression, the "experiencing it" seems to be a significant factor in anxiety, one that can make things worse or better.  And as with depression, there are connections to culture, both in generating the problem and, potentially in alleviating it.  And, as with depression, there are issues of adaptive value (rather than simply of "illness").

I'm intrigued by the conversation about the James-Lang theory of emotion in connection with anxiety, the idea that anxiety may originate in bodily sensations themselves originating either in responses to threatening inputs or in threatening thoughts/ideas of one's own (or originating in genetic propensities).  My guess is that there's a nice parallel here with depression as well: bodily sensations that may be endogenous and/or be triggered by external input and/or by thoughts/ideas. 

I'm also intrigued, in the discussion here, by the concern without "anxiety" or "stress", one wouldn't be "oneself" or would lose "their motivation."  There are cultures without "intense productivity goals" and the individuals in them seem to do pretty well.  More generally, I suspect we overestimate the need for "outside forces" to cause motion (cf Making sense of the world: the need to entertain the inconceivable).  My guess is that there's enough going on in the nervous system to assure that people would act without strong external motivational factors.

Perhaps this all relates as well to the problem of "two behavioral outcomes from the same brain state"?  I don't actually see this as so problematic, as long as one bears in mind that "the same brain state" refers not to the entire brain but rather to a particular part of it (whatever part is being imaged, or inferred, or whatever).  One part of one's brain can be generating signals that result in bodily sensations of anxiety and another part can be experiencing those sensations and deciding how to act. One's behavior, "for the same brain state" of the first part, differs depending on what the second part does. To put it differently, one's interaction is always the resultant of lots of different "brain states" inclining one's actions in a variety of different directions.  And this is probably enough to keep one going even in the absence of external motivational factors.

 

 

EB Ver Hoeve's picture

  I agree that in the

 
I agree that in the question of how to treat anxiety, it seems quite useful to consider the source of anxiety. I would expect the source of the anxiety to be worthwhile when identifying the most beneficial course of treatment. To me, it seems that it would matter whether the source of anxiety was based in a fear of social interaction as compared to a general fear of the unknown. But doesn’t this argument just lead us back into the conscious vs. unconscious discussion? If it is a more identifiable cause (social anxiety) does that also make it a more conscious form of anxiety? From this, do assume that behavioral therapy will be the more beneficial form of treatment because the patient is more aware of the source? And does being “conscious” of the anxiety source actually make the anxiety itself easier to treat?
 
I was also really intrigued by David’s comment about the ability to have two behavioral outcomes from the same brain state. It seems to me that it is, in fact, possible to have way more than just two behavioral outcomes from the same brain state. If we do think about anxiety as existing in a behavioral spectrum (discussed by Sara), then we are really suggesting that it is possible to have many many variations in behavioral outcomes of anxiety.  So really, how ARE we supposed to " tame " anxiety when we lack shared subjectivity?
 

aliss's picture

As we were discussing anxiety

As we were discussing anxiety in class this week, we ended up focusing on treatment of anxiety disorders, and even more specifically on the question of the effectiveness of drugs vs. the effectiveness of CBT and other non-medication therapies.  One of the readings mentioned that highly anxious people may experience the same "brain states" as people who are not anxious but interpret them differently, as excitement or arousal instead of anxiousness.  This seems to indicate that CBT could be an effective treatment for anxiety: if a therapist could help a patient train themselves to recognize these brain states and learn to re-interpret them without relying on catastrophic thinking, the anxiety could be ameliorated or at least reduced.  However, if these types of treatments prove to be ineffective for patients, drug therapy could be attempted.  I also think it's important to consider the source of the anxiety.  Anxiety with an easily recognizable cause (a recent move to a nursing home, an upcoming exam or job interview) and overly anxious responses to an anxiety-causing event (throwing up before an exam) might be more easily treated with CBT than generalized anxiety with no discernable cause. 
Over-prescription of psychotropic medications is becoming a problem in modern times, giving people the tendency to medicate all of their emotions and increasing the false belief that a person must feel happy all the time, or there is something wrong.  Anxiety certainly has its benefits - anxiety is what forces us to study for a test that is coming up, what causes us to check to make sure our stove wasn't left on at the end of the night or that or door is locked.  Of course, any of these behaviors can be done in excess, but there is no use in treating everyday anxiety, just as it might be better not to treat sadness as depression.

sberman's picture

evolution and anxiety

Sorry to be such a NYT fiend today, but in the most recent NYT magazine, there's an article that discusses the evolutionary benefits of depression. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/magazine/28depression-t.html?ref=health) To summarize, the article mentions both how Darwin's depression likely was a causative factor in his ability to study so religiously, likely as a retreat from his depressive symptoms, and that since depression is so common (unlike schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), depression probably has some evolutionary role. This got me thinking about the evolutionary role of anxiety in our society - anxiety is surely uncomfortable, but if we eliminate it it completely, we might induce more drastic problems in other areas. (If you block anxiety, as David said, you likely have a less motivated population - I think this obviously leads to a society that does not function as well). I've been wondering whether anxiety always existed as the spectrum in which it does now (some anxiety is beneficial, too little or too much, you have problems) or is the diagnosis of anxiety "disorders" a relatively new phenomenon? Could our high-pressure society with its intense productivity goals be inducing greater anxiety in people who are naturally prone to it? -- in the context of evolution, this anxiety would mainly kick in in life or death situations, regarding predators or the need to find food in a famine- there was no job pressure/economy pressure back then. Therefore, I think our society has exploited, albeit unknowingly, the evolutionary role of anxiety. 

David F's picture

How should we treat anxiety

 I wonder to what extent we overcomplicate things by asking where we should draw the line in severity of anxiety before we decide to treat it. Why can't it be an issue of which people want to be treated? As one of the readings suggested, one person can "interpret" an overactive brain as exciting, while another can "interpret the same brain state" as anxiety-inducing. With the glaring problems of this description aside (i.e., the ability to have two behavioral outcomes from the same brain state), I think that this point at least illustrates the nuances in diagnosing anxiety given the technology currently available to us. It seems to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to pinpoint a single dimension by which to assess anxiety severity (e.g., brain activation, verbal report, subconscious behavior, etc.), let alone to choose some arbitrary cut-off point after which we should treat it. So it seems like a great way to determine who to treat is to determine who wants to be treated! Sure, there might be some problems with this approach. As Vidya mentioned, everyone has some degree of anxiety: will people start flocking to anti-anxiety medications before a big test? I'm not sure that that would actually happen. Also as Vidya mentioned, stress helps us in many situations by preparing us for a difficult situation ahead. Someone completely void of stress would likely lose their motivation to tackle those situations, and may thus miss out on the excitement of those accomplishments which, although once nervewracking, seem more fulfilling. 

VGopinath's picture

Positive Aspects of Anxiety

The articles that we read discussed the debilitating effects of anxiety but they also stressed the positive aspects.  It's clear that at certain extremes, anxiety is disabling but at moderate levels, it makes conscientious students and meticulous lab technicians.  How do we decide what is an acceptable level of anxiety for an individual? As an increasing number of people see psychologists, will people decide that they want to "stress out" less and and take anti-anxiety medication or undego therapy to do so? I wish I weren't ever stressed out but to what extent would I not be myself without caring about certain things; it's the caring that both makes me who I am and causes me to be anxious.  Being anxious when a friend is in surgery or I have an important game coming up is a normal level of anxiety but if I ask for medication, should I be denied? Further, are we dehumanizing ourself by wanting to remove anxety; I am pretty sure Baby 19, as a successful Harvard student, wouldn't change herself if she could yet we have labeled her as having a disorder.  

vpina's picture

Response and questions

My main thought when presented with a situation like two different people have anxiety and one copes with it fine while the other has an anxiety disorder can only leave me with a few options for why this can be. Either there is a mutation that causes there to be less of a suppression in the person with the anxiety disorder or maybe the personality of the individual who copes with the disorder helps them to turn this negative into a positive.