Women, Sport, and Film Course
Sponsored by the Department of Athletics and Physical Education at Bryn
Mawr College, with support from the Center for Science In Society at Bryn
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WEEK 2
Name: Amy Campbell
Username: acampbel@brynmawr.edu
Subject: Bend It Like Beckham
Date: 2004-02-05 17:01:47
Message Id: 7993
Comments:
React/Respond
How does sport reflect the tensions between tradition and modernity, or the
masculine and the feminine.
Which character do you most identify with? Why?
Name: Jes
Username: jbourne@brynmawr.edu
Subject: Response
Date: 2004-02-08 15:57:39
Message Id: 8035
Comments:
How does sport reflect the tensions between tradition and modernity, or the
masculine and the feminine. Which character do you most identify with? Why?
Well, women in sports is a 'modern' thing, so really, any woman who is from a
traditional family and wants to play sports is probably going to encounter some
conflict. To get out there and do masculine things-- dress like men, sweat like
men, be active like men-- is going to counter any culture which has a 'gentle'
woman ideal. I didn't really identify with anyone in the movie, myself. Jules,
though, was a lot like my cousin, who's very much into soccer and not much into
dating boys. Which is a source of great distress to my aunt.
Name: Julia F.
Username:
Subject:
Date: 2004-02-08 21:25:39
Message Id: 8047
Comments:
How does sport reflect the tensions between tradition and modernity, or the masculine
and the feminine. Which character do you most identify with? Why?
Because of the tensions already with women in sport, the gender issue is often
raised. In the movie, Jess's friends basically go to her match just to see girls,
instead of seeing the game, which was the focal point. Even though they are
her friends, they don't understand that she has just as much validity as a football
player as they do, perhaps more. Her friends expect her to act feminine, and
it disturbs them to see her in what was traditionally a masculine sport. Instead
of confronting their views, they ridicule what the girls are doing by seeing
it as a sort of joke. I think that I identify most with Jules also, because
she knows what she wants to do, and doesn't let anyone interfere or tell her
otherwise. Strong-willed.
Name: Sarah
Username: shalther@brynmawr.edu
Subject:
Date: 2004-02-09 01:02:01
Message Id: 8057
Comments:
How does sport reflect the tensions between tradition and modernity, or the masculine
and the feminine.
Which character do you most identify with? Why?
The tension was shown in the contrast between Jes's world on the field and
her world at home. I especially liked the scenes that showed these two world
interacting. For example, there is the scene where she does foot drills with
the vegetables while her mother tries to show her how to cook a good, full meal.
Her mother becomes angry and pulls her away from the foot drills. The traditional
world would have Jes cooking and fulfilling her role as a wife, while the modern
has her running and playing soccer. I also liked the scenes where the tension
between these worlds fell away a bit. This was shown in the scene where her
fellow soccer mates helped her into her traditional outfit so she could return
to her sister's marriage.
Jule's dad was a lot like both of my parents; they only encouraged me to play.
I didn't identify with any character because while my parents encouraged me
to do my best, I never met any push to be something that I didn't want to be.
While my father would have loved for me to pursue science and a medical degree,
both of my parents have been very supportive of my English major.
Name: Kate
Username: kamlin@bmc
Subject:
Date: 2004-02-09 18:31:25
Message Id: 8071
Comments:
How does sport reflect the tensions between tradition and modernity, or the masculine
and the feminine.
My favorite theme of the movie demonstrates the clash of traditional culture
and modern sports.... The wedding scene contrasting Jess and her sister is a
great illustration of how women in sports shatter traditional norms of femininity
and challenge the role of women in specific societies.
Which character do you most identify with? Why?
I don't identify strongly with any of the characters, but I admire Jess the
most for pursuing her passion and breaking custom.
Name: Katie
Username: kaker@brynmawr.edu
Subject: Commentary
Date: 2004-02-09 23:30:39
Message Id: 8082
Comments:
Throughout past decades, a traditional household was said to be one where the
woman stays at home, not participating in the society of man. By challenging these
gender roles, in sport and society, women have also been expanding the limits
to what is considered feminine and traditional. While the 'ideal' female of the
not too distant past possessed qualities of weakness, submission, and all-around
'girliness', the woman of sport today is strong, dominating, and in control of
her power as a woman. Sport has allowed an outlet for women to advance in society,
pushing the traditional boundaries and generating new ones.
I identified most with Jes because she had to deal with barriers, cultural
& familial, that I have had to face in similar situations.
Name: Amy Campbell
Username: acampbel@brynmawr.edu
Subject: next response
Date: 2004-02-10 11:20:41
Message Id: 8091
Comments:
Great respones - hope you are enjoying thinking and sharing your thoughts with
the 'team'!
Both Jess and Julie are passionate about playing soccer-and don't see their
participation in gender terms yet their frinds and families relate to their
participation through the lens of gender and in the case of Julie's mother,
sexual orientation. Why does sport heighten the conversation re: gender and
orientation for women and not for men? Are there other places in society this
happens?
Name: Julia F.
Username:
Subject: hmm...
Date: 2004-02-10 22:17:10
Message Id: 8109
Comments:
Both Jess and Julie are passionate about playing soccer-and don't see their participation
in gender terms yet their frinds and families relate to their participation through
the lens of gender and in the case of Julie's mother, sexual orientation. Why
does sport heighten the conversation re: gender and orientation for women and
not for men? Are there other places in society this happens?
I always thought that sport brought women's sexual orientation into question
because originally it was seen as though women were taking on men's attributes,
such as being strong, fast, athletic. It didn't happen for men because these
attributes were already attributed to them. I'm not sure about this, but it
seems to follow that in the past when women took on roles that were mainly male
dominated at the time, their sexuality would be called into question. My best
guess would be when women became doctors or lawyers. But as to now, I don't
know.
Name: Katie
Username: kaker@brynmawr.edu
Subject: Commentary 2
Date: 2004-02-11 17:49:01
Message Id: 8117
Comments:
Sport heightens the conversation regarding gender and orientation for women, much
more than for men, because of steroetypes of society. A strong athletic man is
a 'manly man' and participating in sports is 'normal' for that stereotype. On
the other hand, a strong athletic woman's sexuality is questioned just because
she wants to compete like the men. I think that its more about society's expectations
for women rather than society recognizing already that women are equals to men.
Our society has terms like 'woman' doctor or 'male' nurse that further dictate
how far we still have to go for true equality. Men are teased for wanting to supposedly
'lower themselves' to the role of a woman when working in roles that are stereotypically
female, and the same is true for women in the workplace, but to a higher degree.
If a woman wants to be a blacksmith or cattle wrangler she gets the same reaction
as a strong woman in sport.
Name: Jen
Username: jcolella@brynmawr.edu
Subject: Modern and traditional
Date: 2004-02-11 18:43:59
Message Id: 8120
Comments:
Hey everybody,
I feel there is a pull between the modern and the traditional especially with
the internet and other media communications. You don't have to move to be dealing
with "first generation" culture shock in the world today. I loved the way the
movie didn't necessarily judge between the two because I don't feel a comparison
would be appropriate. Both are different, and people shouldn't have to forget
who they are to enjoy who they can be in today's more egalitarian world. I think
sports stresses the tension between tradition and modern because, like Jess
said, it is such an extreme from the traditional.
I think I associate with Jess because she doesn't know what she wants and
is pulled. I can associate with that sort of confusion.
Name: Ria Banerjee
Username: sbanerje@brynmawr.edu
Subject:
Date: 2004-02-11 23:53:58
Message Id: 8128
Comments:
Sport is a good arena to explore the tensions between masculine/feminine, tradition/modernity
because it reflects what's happening in our society. For example, as Bend It Like
Beckham showed us, a lot of British Indians have to deal with conflicts in their
parents' lifestyles and their own. Also, the boys who taunted Jassi for playing
football shows the patriarchal idea that boys play football but girls can't. Sport
thus acts as a mirror to society.
I identified most with the character of Jassi because she overcomes obstacles
and tries to compromise so reconcile her parents and her chosen lifestyle.
Name: Sarah
Username: shalter@brynmawr.edu
Subject:
Date: 2004-02-12 01:14:52
Message Id: 8131
Comments:
Both Jess and Julie are passionate about playing soccer-and don't see their
participation in gender terms yet their frinds and families relate to their participation
through the lens of gender and in the case of Julie's mother, sexual orientation.
Why does sport heighten the conversation re: gender and orientation for women
and not for men? Are there other places in society this happens?
Up until just recently, women were supposed to be passive, quiet and submissive.
These three traits are opposite the traits that sports encourage. In sports
you have to be competitive, aggressive and, therefore, "masculine." Even as
times change and women are allowed to be more vocal and stronger, the old labels
linger. It's really hard to get rid of thousands of years of ideology.
I think this still happens a lot anywhere. If a guy in a company is competitive,
he's aggressive and that's good. But a woman of the same quality would be called
a bitch. Of course, I think all of this is changing. But it's not happening
overnight. A girl can play field hockey and that's totally accepted, but girls
who play softball are supposed to be dykes. No, it's not fair, but that stereotype
remains. This can also go for schools. I'm sure every one of us has been asked
if all Bryn Mawr girls are lesbians.
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