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Thinking Sex: Representing Desire and Difference Forum |
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Welcome! Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2003-09-02 21:47:38 Link to this Comment: 6302 |
Welcome to the course forum area for "Thinking Sex." This is a public space where we will continue our in-class conversations...in hopes of opening a "window" where we can extend our own thinking, and perhaps that of others who might like to "drop in to" the discussion. Don't worry about being "correct"--just think out loud here, share your thoughts in progress...
and we'll see where that gets us.
Let's get started by describing what we first saw when we looked at Sharon Burgmayer's painting "Safe Haven"...and what we saw after we heard our classmates describe their "readings" of the picture:
Do you see what I see...? Name: Anjali Date: 2003-09-02 22:08:23 Link to this Comment: 6303 |
What I see is a woman's soul blossoming open to reveal her inner desire. In this picture she is dancing, arms up over her head, hands waving back and forth, skirt billowing and twisting around her long legs. This is her true happiness and true freedom. However, there is more behind her, shown mostly by the glow that emanates in the background, like when you stand in a dark hall and can see a little light shining out of a semi closed door. You know there is more light, more truth, more space just past the door, but you have to open it to find out. This woman is slowly opening her true desires to someone, showing this person or maybe even herself, her happiness...something so simple as dancing, arms waving above her head, with her skirt billowing around her.
After listening to class discussion and seeing that the picture is held differently, it was hard for me to see anything else. I want it to be a woman, dancing freely, being herself and happy with her simple desire to just dance, freely with no inhibition or structure, nothing stopping her. However, upon looking at this new angle I am just this second beginning to see those flowers in Alice in Wonderland, the pansies talk to her and this looks very much like its talking or about to talk, but I really just keep seeing the woman, on her side or on her legs...I like the dancing woman.
landscape energy & fem reading Name: Ingrid Date: 2003-09-02 23:37:45 Link to this Comment: 6305 |
After some class discussion, I have to agree with (I can't remember who said this) the woman who mentioned that she did not want to do the "stereotypical feminist reading" of the painting and call it a vagina, eventhough the painting does have that abstract and (crediting another member of the class whom I do not yet know) Georgia O'Keefe-esqe quality. Now I wonder about the reluctance. Even with the topographical reading, I see an animated, definitely feminine force that resonates power. Are we afraid that we'll be read as flaky, too obvious?
"safe" haven? Name: Jessie Date: 2003-09-03 15:08:04 Link to this Comment: 6316 |
For one thing, the image is extremely imprecise. There's no clitoris, no labia majora nor minora, no layers at all. It's a huge blur. This doesn't speak of safety to me – if anything, it conjures up feelings of imprecision and unsurity.
More strikingly, this vagina is of mammoth proportions. There's nothing else on the page, it's just a big isolated mouth. It's not even attached to a body, it's just floating in mid-air. I don't know what the original dimensions of the painting are, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are BIG. As it is, the image takes up every inch of the canvas, and even overflows it. All of this makes me think that this big, isolated, disembodied vagina is exploited in some way.
I don't mean to sound too critical -- I liked this painting quite a bit. But I wanted it to tell me something more about its meaning. Without the title, there was nothing to convince me that this image had any particularly "safe" connotations.
Safe Haven Name: Catherine Date: 2003-09-03 16:47:13 Link to this Comment: 6319 |
Burgmayer Painting Name: Megan Hill Date: 2003-09-03 22:24:00 Link to this Comment: 6325 |
Based on the title of the course, I assumed that the painting had some sort of sexual meaning. I searched the painting for several minutes, trying to determine what the picture was. I felt foolish, believing that the meaning was obvious and I just was not getting it.
To me, there really wasn't anything sexual about the painting. Instead, I saw something extremely feminine about the painting. A few students indicated that the pictures was a womb, a tangible object. I saw what a womb provides--security, warmth, protection. The womb seems to be a sexual expression while it's function is the feminine quality.
safe haven Name: Sarah Schl Date: 2003-09-04 15:18:15 Link to this Comment: 6334 |
"The lizard crawled slowly along the side of the dirt road, enjoying the sun on his scaly back. What he didn't know was that soldiers had been here before, and though they were gone, they'd left a surprise behind. Closer and closer the lizard crept inadvertently towards the landmine that would be his doom. Unconscious of his peril, he paused a few inches away to eye a tasty-looking bug. Then he stepped forward again and detonated the (very sensitive) land mine, which exploded immediately. Red petals of fire opened up around the lizard's blue-green body before he incinerated completely and turned to ash."
I didn't see the picture as particularly scary, but rather beautiful in a destructive way. ?? I think it's interesting that I focus more on the darker colors in the middle than on the red, which seems to have been the primary focus for some other members of the class.
"Safe" Haven? Name: Grannis Date: 2003-09-04 19:11:03 Link to this Comment: 6338 |
1. "Safe Haven" does indeed closely resemble a vagina, and the swirls of red paint remind me of fertility. I really like the way Dr. Burgmayer let the watercolor "breathe" as she painted. After looking closely at the painting, I decided that the very outermost edges of the "haven" are lined with little threads of red paint, almost like small capillaries reaching out toward the end of the page. I saw the red as insulation, and was reminded of thermophotography where warm things appear red and cool things appear blue and green. This helped involve my sense of temperature in the painting. However, I must say that it did look like something I would expect to see hanging on the wall of a women's clinic!!!
2. Something about the image reminds me of metaphase, a stage of mitosis characterized by the lining up of chromosomes in the middle of the cell so that when the cell divides, each child cell will have genetic material in it. (So I guess you could say that the painting has a reproductive theme.... I don't know.) I know this isn't exactly the most romantic analysis, but I personally believe that reproduction (even on the smallest levels!) is a beautiful thing.
3. The wildest idea of them all--- that when Dr. Burgmayer was painting this, she wasn't really thinking consciously about painting a sexual-themed image at the time, but in fact had a subconscious desire to return to the womb (perhaps because she was feeling insecure, for some reason), and her desire manifested itself in this way. (Yes, I know this idea's a little nuts). :-)
Anyway, one last important point: I would be interested to present this image on the first day of school to a class with a different title, and see how they read into it. Personally, I feel that we have all been conditioned to anticipate meanings based on language titles. Thus, I don't really trust my opinions of this painting at all because I know that because I was aware of the "Thinking Sex" theme, I was extremely biased from square one. That didn't stop me from enjoying the painting, though....:-)
Sharon Burgmayer's work Name: Laurel Date: 2003-09-05 02:24:13 Link to this Comment: 6344 |
I also was wondering after class discussion (and I see Ingrid was wondering the same thing) why it seemed we shied away from describing what I saw as an overwhelming and unavoidable feminine, vaginal image. Why were we unsatisfied or ashamed of this obvious element of the watercolor? I hate that 'obvious'...I'm being presumptuous...maybe that's my problem, but I hope we haven't been programmed to dismiss such images and our appreciation for them as wishy-washy, corny feminist stuff.
River Rouge Name: Ro. Finn Date: 2003-09-06 11:20:25 Link to this Comment: 6357 |
My first and persistent reaction is to the painterly aspects of it, not its intended or interpreted subject. I am not a watercolorist (am a photographer), but I see thick paper, watersoaked to its edges, a bulbous-tipped brush dripping rouge that runs and is chased by the artist, herself not in control of the outcome. Forget the message; the process--if such a frenetic crescendo of artistic activity can be called that--evokes sexual/senual reactions. I'm wondering how she managed to keep any of the areas white--pure--and wondering if i think the red of it is sullied, by contrast to the slips of dry shoals at the center of its heat and motion. I don't want to make anything of the wiggly cool stuff inside. My imagination is not done with the red river that engulfs it.
Thoughts after listening and reading other impressions:
I loved the surprise of the notion of a dancer...and the 90 degree rotation of the painting that then makes this interpretation so compelling. But I think there's something else going on in my head here... the dancer--for me--is in control of herself, of her (dangerous?) surroundings. She seems to harness the (scarey?) flow of the red river.
In general, I'm amused by our shared push-pulls-- in which we see sexual stuff in Sharon's painting, want to see/ think we should see something else, feel predictable and superficial because we keep coming back to the sexual stuff, and then reach the "AHA!" that we're doing this pushing and pulling because it is sexual. Hmmm.
"Safe Haven" Name: Laura Date: 2003-09-07 18:06:55 Link to this Comment: 6362 |
"Safe Haven" Name: Garron Date: 2003-09-07 21:13:22 Link to this Comment: 6363 |
"Once upon a time I went to a women's college. I took calculus and I took Spanish, and I took a class that had a course packet--a course packet with a yonic cover. Was is a flower or was it a vagina? Purposely ambigious--I think, yes.
I think of Geogia O'Keefe. Her's were flowers, but you know what I mean.
I think of freshman year biology in my high school, the smell and the taste of the memory of that year. Learning parts of plants in biology, the "sex parts" of the plants, and hearing gossip in the hallways about people learning about their own, and the people who they'd hooked up with's sex parts. 'Oh memories misty water colored memories of the way we were.'
Yeah, the picure looks like a water color--and I have no more to write."
I feel funny about displaying my stream-of-conscious for all to see my babblings. In the process of typing it up though, and with the help of reading Grannis's entry I realized the--well, the anger I felt towards this exercise that first day in class. I don't know if anger is the right word.
At the time we did this exercise I assumed because of the name of this course and what it is supposedly about that the painting had to have certain connotations. I thought, "Since this couse is about sex, doesn't this painting have to have sexual meanings?" I also thought, "How sterotypically woman's college, gender studies."
I put blinders on myself. I used my assumptions about this course to create assumptions about the painting and the exercise, which led to my feelings of resentment. These assumptions caused me to see certain meanings from the painting I thought I was "supposed" to see and block out others that I thought wouldn't "fit" with the course. In this way, I limited my imagination. I also prevented myself from seeing other areas and meanings this course might encompass.
Is this me? Name: KB Date: 2003-09-08 14:48:31 Link to this Comment: 6375 |
Initally, my instincts honed in on the colors of the painting. The center, being very passive with its blues, and greens, and purples was intriguing and enticing. After being drawn to the middle portion of the painting, I was very frustrated by the fact that yet again, I enjoyed something that I viewed as passive. Next, I saw the bright red outer rim, and immediately thought heat, excitement, action and movement.
After thinking about the colors, I realized that what I saw in the picture as a whole was a woman's womb, which to me is a beautiful, yet scary place. This paiting depicts for me the feeling I experience in my stomach when I get nervous, excited, or stressed, and perhaps that is what the artist was trying to subconsiously describe. If not, she did a fabulous job of making a piece that I could so easily and readily relate to.
an upside-down idea Name: Ro. Finn Date: 2003-09-08 20:53:27 Link to this Comment: 6381 |
This has been rattling around in my head all weekend: shouldn't we think about the importance of the acculturation of men, even more so than other women? What about men as the most advantageous audience (from our point of view) for the "fruits" of this course?
For example, what about more field sites that focus on boys/men as the clientele? My supposition is that, if we can get boys/men to "get it," the ball advances a whole lot farther than it does working with/for other women.
Just some fruit for thought.
explorers Name: tia Date: 2003-09-10 23:25:17 Link to this Comment: 6425 |
feminine/sexual energy Name: Heather Date: 2003-09-11 16:33:06 Link to this Comment: 6442 |
kinda late here... Name: Ali Date: 2003-09-11 16:53:29 Link to this Comment: 6443 |