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| Week 1 question Name: Amy Campbe Date: 2003-01-31 12:14:35 Link to this Comment: 4335 |
Please start your response with a note introducing yourself to your forum group.
Respond to either one of the following two questions. Feel free to return to your forum and see what others have written and continue the 'conversation".
1. What makes Title IX a social justice issue and why? How does it impact women today – not just athletes, but the culture of access and equity for women's participation in any area that has a history of male dominance.
2. What is the cultural ideal of women in sport? How does it differ from men?
| Hello! Name: Nicole Date: 2003-02-03 10:53:59 Link to this Comment: 4365 |
First, a little background. This is my fourth year at Bryn Mawr and my second year as an instructor for this course. I graduated from Wesleyan in 1997, and am very excited that some WES students will be joining our discussions.
My competitive athleteic days are far behind me. I like to stay active by running, lifting weights, and yoga. I find it is a struggle to fit fitness into my life -- and I work at a gym! But I think it is important, so I try to carve out time/space in my life for physical activity.
In looking at the questions we have asked you to respond to for this weeks discussion, I am struck by how as a culture, we are now putting more pressure on men to achieve a physical ideal. Magazines such as MEN"S HEALTH show a different buff guy on the cover every month, plus two articles on how to get better abs, and how to slim down. It will be interesting to see if this media attention will result in a higher rate of disordered eating in men.
| Greetings Name: Gale Date: 2003-02-04 08:23:39 Link to this Comment: 4394 |
Greetings Nicole! My name is Gale Lackey. I am an Adjunct Professor of Women's Studies, Associate Director of Athletics, and Head coach of Women's Volleyball at Wesleyan University. This spring I am teaching my GENDER AND SPORT class at Wesleyan. Last Thursday we watched "Dare to Compete". Today we will be discussing the movie and moving into lecture and discussions on Title IX (what a timely subject!). I will be urging my students to take part in your discussions as well. We happen to have a few wrestlers in the class. We will be giving a group of our students the opportunity to watch most of the films included in your course. I will attempt to divide our students among the different forums with particular attention to having one or two men in each forum group.
To Nicole's comment - I do believe body image issues or affecting men in our society and could very well lead to eating disorders, if not disordered eating. I also think the male concern with body image is compounding issues with drug abuse. I will try to get some comments from our wrestlers ( as maintaining a particular weight is an issue with that sport) and other men in the class.
Cheers
| Social Justice Name: Liz Date: 2003-02-04 23:12:45 Link to this Comment: 4405 |
The idea of Title IX as a social justice issue can be tied into the idea of the evolution. Throughout history the social justice issues have evolved with the times. Now that other issues have been worked with, women and sports can be examined. I believe, although great strides have been made, there are still many inequalities to be fixed that are aided by Title IX. It is not simply of money, it is a matter of making opportunities open to all people. Just as Affirmative Action helps some, Title XI helps others.
| Cultural ideals and sports Name: Madeleine Date: 2003-02-05 09:27:02 Link to this Comment: 4410 |
| Social Justice Question Name: claire Date: 2003-02-05 18:26:22 Link to this Comment: 4422 |
America's capitalistic system creates a system of unequal distribution, both of the good and the bad, as the country is run by big business; for profit. Social justice has to do with distribution of goods, or burdens. Just as no one person or group of people should be burdened with all of a bad thing, no one person or group should receive all good things either. Environmental injustice, one form of social justice, occurs when one group of people is burdened by a disproportionate amount of hazardous waste. Title IX has to do with the distribution of goods. Women should be granted equity in participation and benefits from education or activity receiving federal funding. Just like all other forms of social injustices, Title IX comes down to money; who gets the money to be educated and participate in activities.
Title IX has tremendous impacts for women in America today, in athletics as well as all other areas of education. For instance, the discipline of Women's Studies, which did not exist before 1970, is offered at hundreds of undergraduate and graduate institutions. Additionally, the field of women's health has emerged, and women's admissions into elite fields of graduate study, such as law and medicine have skyrocketed. Higher education was formerly dominated by men, who then went on to control the work force in most fields, with housework and childbearing reserved for women. In addition to strong feminist activists and radical thinkers, Title IX has helped provide these new opportunities for women.
| Social Justice Issue Name: Corey Gitt Date: 2003-02-05 20:00:41 Link to this Comment: 4429 |
| Cultural Ideals Name: Sarah O'Ne Date: 2003-02-05 20:17:21 Link to this Comment: 4431 |
2. What is the cultural ideal of women in sport? How does it differ from men?
The ideal female athlete is slender and toned and has long hair pulled back into a ponytail. She is fit and sexy and wears spandex outfits to the gym. She runs fast and is graceful and assertive on the field, but never too aggressive or feisty. She finesses the ball, barely sweating—just a light glisten to brighten her complexion. She smiles while she plays and doesn't question calls, or argue with the refs. She's a lady, and cleans up nicely after the game.
The ideal male athlete is aggressive and tenacious. He is quick and decisive, using his thick, muscular body to power his way across the field. His muscles bulge and pop through his jersey, which is drenched in sweat. He has grass stains all over his uniform. He is cocky and is allowed to be smart with the refs. After the game he is expected to be a gentleman and stay out of trouble.
The above descriptions are a bit extreme, but not that far from the truth. Although they are very different, and it would seem that female athletes have it worse, it's important to note that both sexes are stereotyped as athletes. There are unrealistic expectations of both men and women.
| Response to Question #1 Name: Mosah Date: 2003-02-05 20:27:19 Link to this Comment: 4432 |
Question #1:
Title IX is a revolutionary law that has inspired and supported social and political change in America's educational system. Title IX is a social issue in that it serves to outline the guidelines by which educational institutions must operate with respect to opportunities for both the male and female genders. It addresses the social issue of discrimination by gender. Because of Title IX, women now have the opportunity to advance themselves in educational areas that they had previously been prohibited from based on their gender. Title IX supports and protects women's educational rights. This support and protection of one gender from discrimination by another gender makes Title IX a social justice issue.
Title IX is considered an issue of social justice because it works to break down a social injustice. Until this law was passed, the educational opportunities for men far exceeded those of women. Such an imbalance in educational opportunity created a social imbalance. Women were being treated unjustly. Gender opportunities fall under the realm of a social heading. Therefore, the issues that surround the topic of Title IX are considered issues concerning a social injustice. Title IX strives to obtain social justice for females.
Title IX has had a profound impact on the modern American woman. Although the media tends to focus its attention on the impact of Title IX on high school and collegiate athletics, the true intention of Title IX is to provide equal opportunity for both genders across all academic fields. Athletic equality is simply a subset of the overarching theme presented by Title IX. Legally, women must now be given equal opportunity both in and out of the classroom.
The enactment and enforcement of Title IX has provided women with not only the right to equal educational opportunity but also with the inspiration to achieve such equality. The source of such inspiration comes, in great part, from athletics. In seeing members of the WNBA, members of the women's Olympic soccer team and other sports figures, young and old women alike have found themselves inspired to participate in athletics. In cultivating such interest in self-improvement through athletics, Title IX has initiated the process of inspiring women to achieve what they previously could not.
Men have historically dominated society. Females have been oppressed educationally, socially, sexually, economically and politically. Granting women the right to vote granted women great political equality. Title IX has granted women the right to educational equality. No longer must women accept men's dominance over educational opportunities. Title IX supports equal educational opportunities for both men and women.
Question #2:
We live in a male dominated culture. Although major steps such as Title IX are being taken to work towards gender equality, male influence still permeates our culture. Consequently, the culturally ideal female athlete is one who is both sexually appealing to men as well as one who is successful in her sport. The ideal male athlete must be successful at his sport but is not culturally required to have sex appeal. Female athletes face an additional requirement in order to be lauded by our culture. Female athletes are innately confronted with the issues of athletic success and social conformity. Men are simply required to excel at their sport.
Being skilful and excelling at one's sport is of a secondary importance for female athletes in the eyes of mass culture. Women are expected to maintain a feminine physique and not be overly aggressive. Conversely, men have been taught to be muscular and aggressive. The most recognizable evidence of such cultural teachings is evident in almost every gym in America. Women strive to loose weight while men try and bulk up. Women are taught and encouraged to serve as a physical and social compliment to men.
Breaking down the cultural barriers imposed upon them by men has been an arduous task for women involved in athletics. While the media supports and promotes figures such as Anna Kournikova and Mia Hamm as both sex symbols and excellent athletes, the majority of female athletes are not "hyped" up in nearly the same manner or numbers as that of their male counterparts. Male athletes receive much higher percentages of media coverage, fan base and endorsements in large part because sex appeal does not play as major a role in determining their success. In order to fit the cultural ideal, females must accomplish two goals. They must possess sex appeal as well as athletic prowess. Male athletes must simply perform athletically in order to fit the cultural requirements for being deemed a success by our culture.
| cultural ideals Name: Richard Le Date: 2003-02-05 21:09:46 Link to this Comment: 4433 |
I have two issues of Men's Health lying around in my room and here are some headlines on the covers: "Lose Weight Fast! The amazing new diet that strips away fat", "Seduce her in 60 seconds!", "101 Best New Weight-Loss Strategies", "9 Secret Laws of Leanness", "Foods that Fight Fat", "Sexual Superpowers: Be her man of steel", "The Easy Way to Hard Abs"...you get the idea. And this is just from two magazine covers. This magazine is essentially the male equivalent of Cosmo. Plastering the covers with lean and muscular men is no different than putting skinny supermodels on Cosmo. I definitely think that men's body image issues are a big problem, and it will only get worse because of magazines like Men's Health. I read the magazine for entertainment and the occasional helpful bit of information, and afterwards I definitely feel pressure to bulk up and get abs of steel.
Now for the cultural ideals question:
While female athletics has become just as fierce and competitive as men's athletics, women are still expected to maintain their femininity. Muscles, sweat, and aggressiveness are considered masculine qualities, and the exceptional women who exhibit these qualities are often considered "butch" and have their sexuality questioned. In Dare to Compete, we saw that Babe Didrickson faced this paradox, which must have been very difficult for her to deal with. Later in her career she changed her image by growing her hair longer and dressing in a more feminine way. The video also mentioned that in Babe's day, only sports such as tennis, archery, and golf were considered acceptable for women because they could wear skirts while playing them. This paradox still exists today and often more attention is given to a women's femininity than her athletic accomplishments. Anna Kournikova gets just as much attention for bending down to pick up a ball as Serena Williams does for winning her fourth straight grand slam title. Then you have Annika Sorenstam, who had perhaps the greatest year ever in women's golf, and it went virtually unnoticed. Perhaps her skirts weren't short enough.
On the other hand, men are expected to be tough, muscular, and unfailingly heterosexual. Today's male athletes drive ridiculously large SUV's that are big and muscular like them. And just like their SUV's sound systems, they are loud and brash. These are masculine qualities that men must demonstrate to prove their masculinity and heterosexuality, just as women often wear short skirts and ponytails to defend their femininity and heterosexuality.
| Cultural Ideals Name: Corey Gitt Date: 2003-02-05 22:09:24 Link to this Comment: 4435 |
| Response to Question 1 Name: Rebecca Vo Date: 2003-02-05 22:10:25 Link to this Comment: 4437 |
| gender and sport Name: Liza Eckel Date: 2003-02-05 23:29:54 Link to this Comment: 4443 |
2. What is the cultural ideal of women in sport? How does that differ from men?
The cultural ideal of women in sport has changed drastically over the years. First of all, there didn't used to be any women in sport, it simply wasn't culturally accepted. As women emerged in the world of athletics, they were confined to certain sports, such as figure skating, field hockey, swimming, diving, track, etc. Women were supposed to be graceful, flexible, weak, pretty, un-aggressive, non-sweaty, and of course, not crass or violent. However, the ideal for women in sport has somewhat changed over the years. Female athletes are now solid and muscular. They are encouraged to show aggression, sweat get dirty and excel to the highest level possible. As much as these athletic traits are becoming the norm, they come with an attached stigma. As a female ice hockey player, I encounter the butch/brute image. Although, one of the perks of ice hockey is the equipment. The padding allows for quickness, roughness, and aggression. The helmet hides my face so I don't have to be pretty. The equipment prevents any body image issues, because my shape has been masked by the lbs of padding.
The cultural ideal for men in sport has been fairly constant over the years. Men are supposed to be big, muscular, brawny, aggressive, rough around the edges, and violent. It is acceptable for men to be sweaty and dirty, for them to be missing teeth. They are allowed to be hairy, ruthless and animal-like. There are no limits, men are expected to push themselves to the limit.
| Social Justice Issue Name: Jennifer Date: 2003-02-06 01:43:07 Link to this Comment: 4447 |
This is my response to the question of how Title IX is a social justice issue:
The fact that Title IX is an addition to the constitutional civil liberties amendment shows that there has always been preference of men over women. Early Darwinism theories of "only the strong survive" have implied that men are the stronger sex, with privilege. If in 1972 Title IX was rejected by Congress, would the American people, who promote democracy and global liberty have magically decided that this was an action that needed to take place. It is a fallacy that the advancement of women in society at that time would have instantaneous come around and sexual discrimination be forgotten. It is possible that for years and even decades women would be attempting to advance themselves in a man's world. Title IX is an incredible legal advancement and protection for women against sexual discrimination. It would be a lie to say that a few decades ago women had the same opportunity as they did today. For example, my mother, a physician was discouraged from perusing a medical career. Though declined admittance into American medical schools prior to Tile IX, she happily matriculated into medical school in Mexico. During this time, a third world country was willing to give her opportunities she did not receive in America, "the land of opportunities." At the present time women, are encouraged and even sought out to attend prestigious professional schools and for myriad amounts of occupations. Their access to universities and once taboo professions for women has practically disappeared and they are being welcomed and encouraged to enter the labor market. Their salaries within the past decade have risen dramatically and are comparable to those of men. In past years there has been statistical data, or proof, that for the same job men generally earned a higher wage than women. Although this fact is appalling it is a remarkable improvement from thirty years ago in quality of life and opportunities and economic independence for women. Today women are becoming the leaders of our country and local communities. They are doctors, lawyers, congresswomen, ambassadors, educators, mechanics, businesswomen and much more. In the words of my late grandmother, "Ladies today have gone farther than I ever thought imaginable in my lifetime." For these reasons, Title IX is a great social justice issue that does and will continue to enhance the quality and progression of the lives of women in America.
| Social Justice and Cultural Ideals Name: Meredith R Date: 2003-02-06 03:21:40 Link to this Comment: 4448 |
1. Most of us would agree that racial discrimination is an issue of social justice. Almost a century after the fact we can scoff at the idea that the eugenics movement, and all the scientific research that went into proving that certain races are inferior to others is ridiculous. Similarly, we can easily recognize that the notion that black people do not have the same intellectual capacity as white people and that they are only suited for manual labor, a popular belief in America that spanned generations, is an incredibly racist fallacy. Yet why is it that even though we mention racial minorities and women in the same breath under the Civil Rights Act, sexual discrimination is not taken seriously? Just as scientific principle was used to justify and maintain the social hierarchy that oppressed blacks, so too does the assumption that women are biologically inferior to men and that they are only suited for motherhood, fuel the system of social oppression that restricts women from achieving their potential. Title IX is not only opening up the field of athletic competition and providing women with a place to play and the encouragement to participate and to excel, but it is helping to evolve our notions of femininity and masculinity and our stereotypes about the "nature" of men and the role of women. The legislation has helped to shatter the myth that women are biologically inferior to men by proving that if given the opportunity, proper training, facilities, coaching, and encouragement, women can excel at anything they put their minds and dedicate their bodies to. Title IX is an issue of social justice because it insists upon the fair treatment and opportunity for a group that has been historically oppressed by an established social hierarchy.
2. The cultural ideal of women in sport, while continually evolving, still seems to reside on the opposite end of the spectrum from the ideal of men in sport. Girls are not supposed to be too competitive or too aggressive, physically or verbally. Girls should not work up too much of a sweat, be too big, or too muscular. We are taught to scoff at the violent grunts of Monica Seles as she rips a wicked backhand down the line. We accept the fact that women playing lacrosse sport skirts while the men are clad in helmets and pads and engage in hard-hitting competition. While both men and women ice hockey players wear identical protective gear, it seems to make cultural sense that the women's game is a non-checking affair. On the other hand, the same elements that are taboo if embodied in a woman, come to represent the cultural ideal of the male athlete. Men can and should be bulky. Not only is it okay to sweat and get dirty and draw blood, it is expected. The cultural ideal of women in sport parallels the historically oppressive cultural ideal of women in general. Just as society worked to chain women to the role of the docile homemaker, the culture of sport continues to restrict women by forcing them to wear skirts during competition, by banning physical contact, and by upholding a standard of beauty that celebrates frailty and meekness. When I broke my leg playing ice hockey my father jokingly asked me why I couldn't just play the piano. I told him that I wasn't satisfied using my 6'0, 200-pound frame to dominate a musical instrument. All through high school I was reminded of the phrase "chicks with sticks don't like dicks," implying that women who played ice hockey were homosexuals. The idea of women playing a sport, especially one notoriously reserved for men, challenges society's cultural ideal of men as the essence of masculinity. The notion that "the stronger women get, the more men love football" rings loud and clear, perfectly embodying these established cultural ideals of masculinity and femininity.
Name: Natalie Date: 2003-02-06 15:45:14 Link to this Comment: 4455 |
In response to question two, I found what someone in class last week said about women in sports- that the majority of women seem to participate in physical activity to look good and to mold their body into the current feminine physical ideal. Whereas for men, it seems that their participation in sports or athletics is based primarily in competitive endeavors. It is interesting that women are still expected to behave and look a certain way, though I feel that we've come a long way. As it was also said in class last week though, we can't forget where we've come from or diminish our efforts at furthering our position. There is always work to be done in liberating ourselves from the oppressive cultural ideals which have been created.
| Title IX Name: Sunmin Date: 2003-02-06 17:43:44 Link to this Comment: 4462 |
1. What makes Title IX a social justice issue and why? How does it impact women today ?not just athletes, but the culture of access and equity for women's participation in any area that has a history of male dominance.
Actually, I had no idea what Title IX was, so I did a little research on the internet. I came across the following passage;
"No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subject to discrimination under any educational programs or activity receiving federal financial assistance. -- From the preamble to Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972"
Since its passage in 1972, Title IX helped to change attitudes, assumptions and behavior and social understanding about how sexual stereotypes can limit the opportunities for capable women to be educated. Women had made davances in fields of science and math which were dominated by male. Title IX served a symbolic role that shows now women should not be discriminated because of their gender.
| Week 2 Questions Name: Amy Campbe Date: 2003-02-07 11:31:09 Link to this Comment: 4478 |
1. What is the meaning of the images used in the popular media that portray women? Portray women athletes? Give some examples of positive images and some negative images. Look at the WNBA website for an interesting look at the intersection of media and women's professional sport. www.wnba.com
2. What role does gender play as enhancing the athletic image of women in sport? What influence, what difference, did the image of Velvet as being gender neutral – and in fact trying to pass as a male jockey. What does this say about women in sport, women in male domains, and the cultural ideal of women? Is this applicable toady?
3. How does the cultural ideal of sport relate to the cultural ideal of women in society?
For those students who watched National Velvet, add the question:
Are you, or did you ride horses in your youth? Describe the passion of riding horses. How would you describe the link between gender as portrayed in the movie?
| Women and Sport in the Media Name: Liz Marcus Date: 2003-02-11 10:57:40 Link to this Comment: 4538 |
| National Velvet Name: Madeleine Date: 2003-02-12 09:25:45 Link to this Comment: 4551 |
| Gender Neutral? Name: Nicole Date: 2003-02-12 14:08:43 Link to this Comment: 4553 |
| question 3 Name: Angela Mur Date: 2003-02-13 10:00:17 Link to this Comment: 4566 |
The cultural ideal of society is brought into sport by the way women are portrayed.
In sport the common thought that is put to the forefront and called upon when challenges are made to why there isn't more media coverage or more prize money or anything close to equal between the womens and mens sports is that women aren't as physically able to do these sports. This is quite annoying, for some of the women who train just like the men, to be able to compete with the men, during which time they develop *gasp* muscles as big as a man, they are referred to as freaks, or not females, and most certainly not role models. So who does the sports media think should be role models? Well, basketball players and soccer players and any one else who has these characteristics: skinny, pretty, married, and whatever else that doesn't make the world think that women are getting too powerful. Granted this isn't all the pictures out there, but they are the predominant one's.
| relation of cultural ideals for sport and women in Name: Jennifer L Date: 2003-02-13 15:47:49 Link to this Comment: 4580 |
The cultural ideal of sport and the cultural ideal of women in society are not easily intertwined. There are many features of women athletes which are not in the cultural norm for women in society. The movie, A Hero for Daisy, shown in the Wesleyan University Gender and Sport course, shows female athlete, Chris Ernsts, overcoming barriers that existed. Chris Ernst was a female rower at Yale University. She told stories of inequality in the sport between the men's and women's team, in terms of equal facilities and equipment. She knew the only way to make a statement and have change instituted at the university was to make a immense non-destructive political statement. The crew team invited a New York Times journalist and photographer to attend their demonstration. They marched into the women's athletic heads department in their team uniforms. They formed into rows and completely undressed, showing the words Title IX written all over their bodies. After the demonstration made national news, Yale was very quick to reformat and show equality in the facilities and equipment for men's and women's athletics. Even thought this brought about change, Chris Ernst was considered a rebel, or trouble in the eye's of some people. The university and others believed this was not a statement or action that women should participate in society.
Later on in life Chris Ernst, went on to qualify for the Olympics in rowing. Due to her unbelievable muscular appearance, she was tested three times by the Olympic committee for gender. They did not believe that a female could develop such large muscles and have great athletic ability. This shows society's relentless denial of a women's ability to form such features by hard work and dedication and athletic. She was viewed as un-normal and manly.
There should be no double standards for men and women in society and sport. The cultural ideal of women in society as small framed, gentle, quiet and obedient is a mentality of a long time ago. A woman should be able to be an aggressive muscle machine in sports as well as men, without being judged. Furthermore, their sexuality should not be questioned by such actions. Also to make revolutionary breakthroughs in women's sports a woman should not be deemed "rebellious" to help make strides for her fellow athletes. No one would ever question a man who was trying to progress male sports. Just because a women is aggressive, muscular and determined in sports and life does not mean she can't be feminine, gentle, and caring at the same time. Until society can be open-minded about gender equality, on and off the field, many negative stereotypes and connotations will be associated with women in sports.
| Body IMage -"A hero for daisy" Name: Corey Gitt Date: 2003-02-13 16:03:14 Link to this Comment: 4581 |
| Gender Neutral? Name: Sunmin Lee Date: 2003-02-13 18:18:36 Link to this Comment: 4587 |
In the movie "National velvet," Velvet is often refered as a "little girl." The usuage of this term plays a significant role in the development of the movie. The first usuage of this term is to reinorce that Velvet is just a "little girl." Naive, not a full-grown woman yet, thus, it is acceptable to make a mistake or go a little beyond the pre-set gender boundary. The second usuage of the term is to let her realize she IS a girl, who will become a woman. The second usuage is to press social restrictions against her. Throughout the movie, these two different identities as a "little girl" are used to justify her actions. Velvet's mother says several times that a little girl needs to do this or that to justify what Velvet does. Also, at the end, people in England are generous for what Velvet does because she is a "little girl." Then, I want to ask, is a "little girl" gender neutral? I say that it is not the gender neutrality that kept Velvet from being criticized, but the ambiguity of her identity as a "little girl."
| Women on the web Name: Richard Le Date: 2003-02-13 21:57:06 Link to this Comment: 4593 |
Looking at the websites of other prominent women's sports—golf, tennis, and soccer—you find the same things. The LPGA website has a page featuring wedding pictures of recently married golfers. What is more feminine than the classic white wedding dress? Meanwhile, the WTA Tour has a section called "Off the Court", which includes an article on Justine Henin's upcoming marriage. The WUSA website has a similar page entitled "Off the Field". Meanwhile, men's sports coverage is purely focused on the sports. There is no mention of off the court activities, nor will you find any pictures of athletes wearing anything but their uniforms. For men, uniforms, muscles, and sweat are all a part of their masculinity, so there is no need to display another side of their lives.
I also think the reason for this discrepancy in the media is that female athletes aren't taken as seriously as their male counterparts. When the WNBA was established, my friends and I mocked it and thought of it as something of a joke. I'm more enlightened now, but there are obviously still many people who think this way. In general, women's sports don't carry the same clout as men's sports, and likewise women athletes don't have the same clout as men. Male athletes are simply athletes, while media coverage of female athletes portrays them as regular people who also happen to play sports. It will take time for these attitudes to change, but when they do, we will start to see more women make money comparable to men, and not as many women in wedding dresses.
| WEEK 3 Questions Name: Amy Campbe Date: 2003-02-16 16:11:54 Link to this Comment: 4626 |
1. What is the cultural ideal displayed by the main characters in each film? What norms/ideals of the time, do the characters challenge and expand?
2. What is the relationship between the main characters in the films and their message about women and sport? Has it had an impact on what is happening in women's sport today? How does it effect womne who are not engaged in sport?
3. How does the media - print - video/movie - web - portary women and sport? Is it helpful?
| Love and Basketball. Name: Madeleine Date: 2003-02-17 13:45:25 Link to this Comment: 4637 |
| L & B Name: Richard Le Date: 2003-02-18 17:12:02 Link to this Comment: 4664 |
Monica's mom is also an interesting character. We initially see her as just a weak, submissive housewife, which she is to some extent. But after her argument with Monica, we see a different side of her. She took pride in caring and loving for her family. Women can be strong and independent as housewives, just as much as basketball players. My only problem with the movie was the ending. The implication was that basketball didn't mean anything for Monica without her man. Basketball was such an important part of her life and it seems ridiculous that this strong-willed woman lost her love for the game when she lost her man.
| love and basketball Name: natalie Date: 2003-02-18 19:26:05 Link to this Comment: 4665 |
Name: Liz Marcus Date: 2003-02-19 07:53:17 Link to this Comment: 4669 |
| Question #3 Name: Angela Mur Date: 2003-02-19 17:46:42 Link to this Comment: 4675 |
Both of these links are from Sports Illustrated. In the first example, click on a link to a man and you will find many pictures of him in action or participating in the sport. Click on a women's link and you will find a couple of action shots as well as a few shots of her family, and maybe her boyfriend. Right..
So, how does the media portray women in sports. Well, they portray them as feminine, overly. "Don't want to portray them as only having sport. Of course they have a family! Look, look, there's her BOYfriend". Please. Women in sports are portrayed in a light to be sure to remind you that they don't put all their time into sports, that the do have relationships. With men, they don't. You pick up a SI to see how the teams are doing and to see the best players. You don't pick one up to see who your favorite female star is dating, or how her kids are doing in school. I beieve that, though they are actually showing women in sports magazines, which is better than before, it's still a hinderence to the image.
| love and basketball, 2 Name: natalie Date: 2003-02-19 21:07:48 Link to this Comment: 4685 |
One interesting part of this film I noticed, in relation to this question, is its portrayl of women's basketball as a much smaller institution compared to the men's superstructural basketball industry. Men have the benefit of an established sport, in which they can rely on set fans and revenues as well as endorcements and sponsorships. With Title 9, women's basketball organizations began to come together and attempt to imitate the success of men's basketball. Unfortunatley, we didn't get an organization such as the WNBA to compete with the NBA untill fairly recently. Also unfortunatley, the base of fans and support for the WNBA is severely inferior to that of the men's NBA. Both in terms of viewership interested and enterprise sponsorship they are severely lacking in comparison. However, I think at this point in time, the opportunity for the WNBA to grow and compete equally with the NBA is in place. What is lacking at this monent is a public support for the WNBA. Society doesn't value its female baskeball players like it does their male counterparts. Men's basketball is seen as more competitive and therefore far more interesting. I wonder what would have to change in society in order for there to be a peaked or equalled interest in women's basketball...
| Love and Basketball Name: Jennifer L Date: 2003-02-19 22:52:43 Link to this Comment: 4687 |
In the film, Love and Basketball, the main characters, Monica and Quincy, mature over the years and face challenges that they must overcome. As a young girl, Monica possesses basketball talents. When she to play with the boys they agree because she dresses like a boy and was wearing a hat. Quincy and the other little boys could not believe that a girl could play ball. She challenged the idea that a girl can play sports and possibly even better than a boy. The boys made fun of her saying that she was weird or a "dog" for not molding into the conventional little girl in a dress role. As Monica grows older she continues to exhibit masculine characteristics in terms of her love of the sport. Due to her cut, muscular and lean body, she receives comments that she is a tom-boy. Her mother, who does not give her approval and support, makes a comment to Monica about how I wish you would grow out of the stage. This shows disapproval for the course in sports Monica has chosen to take. She excels on the court, but like any player shows emotion when a bad call is made. Her frustration and anger at the official is considered unladylike however, if it was a man giving his opinion, by society it would be considered appropriate. This is unfair. These double standards should not exist in sports. Monica continues to challenge the ideals of the time by continuing to play basketball after college on European teams. She will not admit that this is the end of her career. Her love of basketball and her hard work and perseverance pays off and eventually she makes it to the WNBA. It sends out a message to female athletes to work hard and follow ones' instincts and dreams.
Quincy growing up at times had societal ideals for women in sport as well as men. As a little boy, he was like girls can't play ball, and was thoroughly surprised when Monica showed up with skills. To him it was unfathomable that a girl can play ball. Over time, he recognizes that girls can play sports. This idea is one he accepts, even though the rest of society might not be in accord. He is proud of Monica for what she has accomplished, although he may not admit it out loud. However, Quincy continues to fall into the social norms of a man in sports. He is recognized and idolized for his talents. The movie also shows the emphasis of male sports in the world. At USC the men's basketball team plays in an arena, there is an enormous spectator turn out and the event is highly publicized and even televised. The women's team plays in a small gym, for a small crowd, which was highly unpublicized. It demonstrates that male sports sell and that people do not take female sports seriously enough to support it to that great extent. During his college career, Quincy decides that he wants to go professional. It is acceptable that an athlete with great talent can quit school and be drafted for the NBA. This is due to the fact that people believe the NBA is a respectable job for a male. If a female was to quit her education in order to further her athletic career, it might be deemed as irresponsible or reckless. Life in the NBA is not as glamorous as Quincy had thought it would be since her tore his ACL. It exemplifies the hard work he needed to put in to elevate himself to the standards that society expected of an NBA player. After triumph and tragedy, love conquers all in basketball.
Name: Liz Marcus Date: 2003-02-20 07:26:00 Link to this Comment: 4696 |
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In "Love and Basketball,"
| Love and Basketball Name: Sunmin Lee Date: 2003-02-20 19:10:19 Link to this Comment: 4732 |
Since other people focused more on the gender issue within the film, I would like to discuss on how the film portary Monica and Quincy.
In "Love and Basketball," Monica finds herself in a position where she needs to choose between her boyfriend Quincy and basketball. She chooses basketball but loses Quincy instead. I expected that Monica will be criticized for her decison. It is not because I wanted her to be, but that kind of development is usual in the movie. I was surprised, but in a good way. It is interesting how the film does not portray the streotypical gender figure. Rather, the film portrays Monica and Quincy as two atheletes who are trying to find their way in different conditions and expectations.
| Love and Basketball Name: Madeleine Date: 2003-02-20 22:09:39 Link to this Comment: 4736 |
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| Week 4 Questions Name: Amy Campbe Date: 2003-02-22 09:33:45 Link to this Comment: 4748 |
1. Is it advancement for women in sport, that the main character is the first woman on the cover of SURFING magazine? Why or why not?
2. (Same as week #1) What is the cultural ideal of women in sport? And how does it differ from men?
3. How does this film stereotype the main and supporting characters in this film?
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| Cultural idea of women in sports Name: Sunmin Lee Date: 2003-02-27 17:30:23 Link to this Comment: 4873 |
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2. What role does gender play as enhancing the athletic image of women in sport? What influence, what difference, did the image of Velvet as being gender neutral ?and in fact trying to pass as a male jockey. What does this say about women in sport, women in male domains, and the cultural ideal of women? Is this applicable toady?
I thought the film National Velvet was interesting, mostly because it was so old. I would have like to know how the movie was recieved and if anyone found the girl's actions slightly off or odd in reference to the times. Mostly I would think that because Velvet cut off her hair she might have recieved some chiding and dissapointment from her family and townspeople. However that certainly wasn't depicted - which is good. It was also interesting that she participated in the race and when she didn't win no one stood up for her. It was expected that she would recieve that sort of a response. I guess that wasn't surprising, just dissapointing. It is interesting to consider the things which are considered taboo for women to do. In this case - riding a horse wasn't taboo, but riding a horse in a specific context was. I think that often it is not only certain actions which people disagree with or which grates against social norms, but it is the context in which they are participated in.
