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Stories of Teaching and Learning Forum |
Welcome to the on-line forum for reflecting on Bryn Mawr as a learning and teaching environment. Like all Serendip forums, this is a place for informal, public conversation. "Informal" in the sense that no one is going to worry about how you say things here. And no one is going to worry if you say one thing now and change your mind later (in fact, that's a good thing here). The idea is to share "thoughts in progress". Its a place to put thoughts you are having that might be useful to other peoples' thinking and to find thoughts that might be useful to yours. And its "public" with the same idea in mind, that everyone can make use of and contribute to everyone else's thinking. So what you say might make a difference not only to others here at BMC but people anywhere else in the world as well (who might in turn contribute some of their own thoughts to our conversation). The idea of an informal public conversation may take a little getting used to (some thoughts may need a bit of rephrasing before being said out loud) but there are lots of benefits to be gained from such a conversation, both individually and in terms of shared cultural understandings. So pitch in, and let's see what we create.
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getting started ... Name: Paul Grobstein Date: 2005-02-19 10:08:39 Link to this Comment: 13011 |
Having everybody involved in education sit and talk about it together struck me as a particularly good idea. I know its a part of the philosophy of the bico education program, and is done by others in some other contexts, but if we succeeded in nothing other than to make it more widespread at the College that would, it seems to me, make be a useful outcome.
I'm also intrigued by the "education can't be learned, it has to be experienced" notion and some of the thoughts/ideas that followed from that. There are some interesting implications there, for both teachers and students. And perhaps for questioning whether those are/ought to be distinct categories. Among the issues raised is the "up-tightness" factor that gets in the way of "playing around". Does that derive from teachers, from students, from all of us together? And would we really be comfortable, in all contexts?, in some?, in a few?, with education as "playing around"? What about the "real world"? Are people better off there if they think of education as "playing around"?
Very much looking forward to hearing what other people thought off our first session together, and seeing where we go next.
On Krishnamurti and other things ... Name: Arshiya Ur Date: 2005-02-19 11:57:52 Link to this Comment: 13012 |
to create a space... Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2005-02-20 23:41:10 Link to this Comment: 13051 |
I add my thanks to all who joined us for last Friday’s discussion of “Teaching and Learning at Bryn Mawr," and thanks to Paul for creating this new website where we can archive and continue our conversation on-line. I’m noting here some of the questions and devil’s advocate-sort-of opening-up observations which I found most instructive in last week’s discussion--along with a warm invitation to add your own, and to invite other students and faculty interested in such matters to join us both here on-line or when we next meet in person. On Friday, March 18, 3:30-5 in the Multicultural Center, we’ll gather again to discuss “what we would like to see changed (contribute ourselves to changing ?) about teaching and learning at Bryn Mawr.
In hopes that you can join us then,
Thanks for coming--
Gladly,
Anne
Is the information shared in college conducive to a peaceful life?
Do we want it to be?
Post-bacs could be rich resources into how science is seen “from the outside.” Having to “sell a course to a general audience,” rather than assuming the built-in or obligated interest of a captive audience of majors, is a good way for faculty members to learn to connect their fields to students’ lives and interests.
There’s a difference between education as learned (extrinsic, passive) and as experienced, (intrinsic, active); the latter is the hallmark of the “unschooling” movement, which sees children as naturally curious, and the role of their teachers and mentors as creating a environment to help the child help herself to learn.
Such learning could be—already is--facilitated in this college environment, in, for instance, labs where students are “not told what to do,” but rather given an open-ended invitation into “try things and play.” Having hands-on experiences motivates students to understand them and piques their interest to explore further on their own.
There is an “uptightness factor” at Bryn Mawr that prevents such play; students immerse themselves in obligations that keep them from having the time for self-directed exploration. Students also “feed off each other,” engaging in competition for who can be the biggest “mawtyr” (take the most demanding course load, get the least sleep, etc.)
There are signals from professors about what’s allowable: many classes are so carefully scripted before they begin that students do not feel as though they have any role in shaping what is going to happen (even @ the level of revising what they themselves have written). There was some preference expressed for having a class “not knowing where it’s going to end.”
That would be a very different structure than how most people have been taught. What moves could be made to open up that space?
How much of our education here (which costs $1.89/minute or $80/class) can involve the creation of an environment that pleases us as individuals, vs. needing to prepare us for “the real world”? What does such preparation look like? (Will we be graded on most of our life decisions….?)
(more) actively learning Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2005-03-24 14:24:19 Link to this Comment: 13982 |
There was such an interesting conversation in the Universe Bar last night, that seemed to me a great extension of our discussion here, last week, about "active learning." For a taste, see actively learning science (and other curious matters....)
empowering thinking Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2005-09-21 07:53:43 Link to this Comment: 16231 |
I've just put up a summary of what I heard, last Friday afternoon, when Jossi Fritz-Mauer talked about teaching in Africa. So much of what Jossi had to share with us got to the deep questions about what it means to learn in the company of others, in a world of unequally distributed resources: what constitutes empowerment? and what is the extent of our obligation to and investment in others' growth and development? what are the terms of those engagements? Let us know, here, your thoughts on these matters...
Belated thoughts Name: cshdaima@b Date: 2005-09-29 15:18:43 Link to this Comment: 16380 |
connecting (technically, philosophically, pedagogi Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2005-10-01 14:24:13 Link to this Comment: 16407 |
Corey--
First things first (since you, like me, are so interested in facilitating "connecting"):
a little instruction on "linking."
If you look at the top of posting page, you'll see a link for "instructions for how to post," which includes instructions for creating links. Each message has a "message-id" # @ the top, which is what you use for linking. For example, if you want to refer to my message above, put in your posting
which will "read out" as
As Anne said in her posting ...
As I <a href="/forum/viewforum.php?forum_id=221#9010"> said earlier about Jane Addams</a>
which will "read out" as
Moving now from technical expressions to their philosophical underpinnings...
I was quite struck by the intersection (opposition?) between your claim above, about the need to "take off armor, and to open ourselves to others," and the proposal, in a discussion nearby about The Emergence of Emergency, that a useful response to Katrina might have been building a firewall, one that assures the safety of the whole by not allowing the contamination of a part to s-p-r-e-a-d...
I felt as though the refusal to "firewall," to take the risk "being hurt (and changed)" was continued in yesterday's story of teaching and learning, which began w/ Janique's description of her work in Boston classrooms, and ended with discussions about what contracts we have (and might we re-negotiate?) in the classrooms @ Bryn Mawr.
"unsettling ideas floating through our heads" Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2005-11-05 09:33:23 Link to this Comment: 16822 |
I've just put up the summary of our discussion, with Janet Rhi, about teaching English in rural Poland. Such a rich conversation, about the aims and ends of education, and about our need to be clear about our own moral positions, about how we justify the work we do. We might be quite clear about our own intentions, think ourselves "morally justified " in helping others be who they want to be. But such an activity can be quite destabilizing, and do damage--and we really can't go anywhere to avoid this problem (hey: it happens to those of us teaching and learning at Bryn Mawr!) Whatever we do, we will have an impact on other people, so we ought both to know at a fairly deep level what our justification is, and acknowledge that we can't control the outcomes, for others, of what it is we are doing.
Whew!
appreciation and potential Name: Paul Grobstein Date: 2005-12-03 08:55:06 Link to this Comment: 17277 |
Among the interesting general questions that arose yesterday was that of how students content with more "traditional" courses related to less traditional ones, and how faculty should respond to that. There are a few perhaps relevant thoughts in the material added at the end of Biology 202, as well as in some of the "accrued experience" writings linked to near the beginning. This is not at all an issue unique to Bryn Mawr. Some additional relevant writings from elsewhere are available from Science as Story Telling in Action and include
Perhaps also relevant is the forum conversation that I mentioned took place among students in my Biology 103 class this semester.
Very much looking forward to continuing discussions in the kind of open, engaged, and mutually supportive atmosphere we had yesterday.
on getting data--and getting respect Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2006-01-30 08:10:38 Link to this Comment: 17856 |
Thanks to everyone who came and participated in our workshop, Friday afternoon, on "Psychology 340-Women's Mental Health." I've written and put up a summary of what I found most interesting in the conversation; also, here's a link to the overview to the challenges and new directions in rethinking science education that I'd just come from, and which so informed all the questions I was asking you guys about field site work as empirical research, and the degree to which it actually came to inform/unsettle the theoretical material you were studying in this class. I learned so much of interest, there, in how psychology continues to try to "compose" itself as a discipline, and "get respect"--not so different from how we try to do the same thing, as individuals?
For a continuation of this conversation, come back to Stories of Teaching and Learning next month (2:30, 2/17) when Peter Brodfuehrer and his students will bring "Biology 321 - Neuroethology" to be workshopped. Also of interest to you all--given the conversation about possible differences between science and humanities teaching, between telling personal stories "to connect and empathize" AND to "contribute to empirical data-gathering"--might be the ongoing weekly series on "Rethinking Science Education," which is taking place in the multicultural center every Friday 1:15-2:30. (This week's talk will offer a view from English House.)
Thanks again for much good instruction! Anne
womens mental health discussion Name: Diane Date: 2006-01-31 03:35:53 Link to this Comment: 17897 |
Reflection on Women's Mental Health Discussion Name: Kelly Stru Date: 2006-02-10 13:18:02 Link to this Comment: 18054 |
going off script Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2006-02-19 22:03:12 Link to this Comment: 18211 |
Kelly's thoughtful posting recommends replacing two conventional dicotomies--of "personal stories" and "science," and of "praxis" and "academics" --with what she calls "integrated learning experiences," "layered accounts" that weave together students' observations with their theoretical implications.
Last Friday afternoon's workshop, led by Peter Brodfuehrer, pushed that challenge one step further. Can those of us who have spent our academic lives learning to defend ourselves from "being wrong in public" actually learn to do business in a different way? Can we be "transactional," taking the risk (and having the fun!) of 'going off script,' responding openly to what happens when we interact with others--both within the classroom and outside it?
Join us for the next session of "Stories of Teaching and Learning," on Friday, March 31, from 2:30-4:00 p.m., in Thomas Library 223, when Kelly and several Praxis III students explore these ideas with us further. Until then, add your own thoughts here....
no contradiction Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2006-04-02 07:37:21 Link to this Comment: 18783 |
As I was writing up my summary of our conversation with Kelly Strunk, Friday afternoon, I found myself laughing out loud w/ delight to see what had happened. Kelly had come into that session "knowing more than she knew she knew": not just that her experience of articulating a methodology for autoethnography was parallel to the need to do the same for praxis, but that the methodology of autoethnography might be able to provide precisely the articulation praxis needs. Seeing Kelly so well positioned to claim more than she had been willing to claim was a great demonstration of the idea we explored @ such length later in our session: that when students are working @ their praxis sites, they draw on the theory they've read and incorporated in their knowing, without any realization that they are doing so. Acting on a gut level, as they respond "instinctively" to their clients, they are still "doing theory" unawares.
I also found myself excited at the way our group was able to articulate a sort of pedagogy that sees rigorous academic work as rooted in (but not bound by) the personal; that sees an investment in the personal as fueling (but not limiting) engaged academic work. Yes, "there is something very powerful in thinking about your personal mattering." And yes, we need to get beyond both the "personal box" and the "theory box." And yes, we can use each to open up the other. To get to the point where autoethnography is not a contradiction in terms @ Bryn Mawr--now: that's something.
Thanks, all, for helping so much with the process.
transactions Name: Anne Dalke Date: 2006-04-23 22:33:16 Link to this Comment: 19127 |
I spent three hours in the living of the Multicultural Center on Friday afternoon learning about a couple of new teaching initiatives at Bryn Mawr: the first session featured Sharon Burgmayer's new course on "the chemical history of art," the second Gail Hemmeter and Linda Caruso-Haviland's new CSem on "Performance and Self." The first presentation was about a science course special-tailored to the interests of students (in this case, art and art history majors); the second was about a first-semester course that emphasizes writing as a "discipline-independent public act, performed in order to get a reaction from others, a reaction that one can learn from. It needs to be a transactional process."
Both sessions, in short, were about messy "transactions." Both drew a distinction between the "antiseptic nature of studying and getting your hands dirty"--a distinction generally reflected in the curricular structures of the College. I learned that--like the medieval alchemists who practiced the "art of making a substance no formula could describe," modern researchers, artists, performers and writers are most fearless, and most successful, when they "don't think in terms of what is "right or wrong," but rather in terms of "what might happen."
Interesting for me to hear how well such an exploratory stance works alike in "doing chemistry and art" and "in performing and writing for the public." Please feel free to add your own thoughts about any of these--or related--processes, in the forums for the brown bag series or for stories of teaching and learning. And let me, Paul or Jody know what thoughts you might have for continuing some version of either series in the fall.
Forum Archived Name: Webmaster Date: 2006-11-28 14:37:33 Link to this Comment: 21210 |
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